On this episode, XMen The Animated Series writers Eric and Julia Lewald crash game night to catch up with us and discuss the response to XMen 97.
[00:00:08] .
[00:00:09] I want to welcome everybody to Crashing Game Night.
[00:00:11] My name is Matt Dioro, your host as always tonight after now that we are past the season
[00:00:18] finale of season one of X-Men 97, the Steam Drivers, Erica and Julia Leewald are crashing
[00:00:25] game night again.
[00:00:26] Yeah.
[00:00:27] Finally.
[00:00:28] I know.
[00:00:29] We've been waiting for this day for so long.
[00:00:34] You shared with us when we talked to you before and oh my God.
[00:00:37] Yeah.
[00:00:38] It's been a while.
[00:00:40] It's been just a couple of years.
[00:00:42] October 2nd of 2022.
[00:00:44] To be exact.
[00:00:46] That's crazy.
[00:00:47] Yeah.
[00:00:48] A little happens.
[00:00:49] A little happen.
[00:00:50] A little happen.
[00:00:51] I mean, these young people, they took three years to make this silly show when we had
[00:00:56] about seven or eight months to do it.
[00:00:59] So we will be the crotch in the old man.
[00:01:03] You know, if they had to do it the speed we did, you know, so back in my day.
[00:01:09] Yeah.
[00:01:10] Yep.
[00:01:11] And that ladies and gentlemen is the babyface one Theo Walski.
[00:01:14] What's up everybody?
[00:01:15] I can't wait to be talking about X-Men.
[00:01:17] I actually watch it.
[00:01:19] I will admit that I did not watch each one as it aired each week, but I binged
[00:01:25] it last Saturday.
[00:01:28] I had a good binge.
[00:01:30] Good binge.
[00:01:31] It wasn't a long bench, but it was a very simple binge because I just couldn't
[00:01:35] stop.
[00:01:36] Well, boy, hope you have some tissues and a stiff drink nearby.
[00:01:41] So sorry.
[00:01:43] Well, and lastly are a moral hating matriotia services, the man with
[00:01:48] the couch, the lion's mane.
[00:01:50] Wow.
[00:01:51] Why you got to throw them under the bus?
[00:01:53] How is it going guys?
[00:01:54] Just like, look at that.
[00:01:56] My goodness.
[00:01:57] Just throw it in my child.
[00:01:59] Are we actually including 97 into the MC?
[00:02:02] No, you can't.
[00:02:03] Okay.
[00:02:04] So I mean like he's MCU hating, not marble hating.
[00:02:07] Yeah.
[00:02:08] Important distinction.
[00:02:10] Yeah.
[00:02:11] Cause I mean like, you know, I'm not a fan of the live actions that
[00:02:14] are tying in with all the movies, all the shows.
[00:02:18] X-Men 97, it's like, it's near and dear to the heart.
[00:02:22] It's X-Men 95 continuation X-Men 97 and that long period where, you
[00:02:28] know, you go from a kid to an adult.
[00:02:30] Oh, oh, oh, so my goodness.
[00:02:33] Before we dive into X-Men, I do have to pass along a hello from
[00:02:37] someone from your past specifically from Robo cop.
[00:02:41] David so.
[00:02:43] David Sobo.
[00:02:44] I was going to try and have him come on and surprise you guys
[00:02:47] tonight.
[00:02:49] But he is up in the backwards of Canada enjoying some time off.
[00:02:53] So we wanted me to send you guys his love.
[00:02:56] Oh, thank you so much for that.
[00:02:58] He's been on fire lately.
[00:03:00] Yes, he has.
[00:03:01] The man goes to cons and there must be 20 toys based on his
[00:03:05] characters for him.
[00:03:07] But we had him on about now it's about two months ago.
[00:03:10] We talked about Robo cop.
[00:03:12] I feel like it's fun like that.
[00:03:14] Yeah.
[00:03:15] Three months maybe.
[00:03:16] Yeah.
[00:03:17] And then we talked about Robo cop and of course with him doing
[00:03:20] transformers and being the only one from the original beast
[00:03:23] Wars to even be part of the beast and whatnot.
[00:03:26] But yeah, he wanted me to send his love to you guys.
[00:03:29] Thank you. Thank you.
[00:03:31] Sorry that he could make it. Yes.
[00:03:33] He's the greatest guy.
[00:03:34] We wrote for 40 Robo cops.
[00:03:36] And we never met him during production.
[00:03:38] That's the kind of the standards way out here.
[00:03:40] Everybody's running as fast as they can and handing the
[00:03:43] stuff out.
[00:03:44] And somebody in the next building is recording it.
[00:03:47] Yeah, I think he was recording.
[00:03:49] So, so yeah, it was great to meet him at a con and say,
[00:03:53] my God, you're the, that was your voice.
[00:03:55] All those were your words. Okay.
[00:03:57] Cool.
[00:03:58] Yep.
[00:03:59] And now we hang out.
[00:04:00] Yeah.
[00:04:01] Oh, that's awesome.
[00:04:02] Yeah.
[00:04:03] We never got a chance to meet until we started going to
[00:04:05] cons.
[00:04:06] 20.
[00:04:07] Seven years ago.
[00:04:08] Yeah.
[00:04:09] About seven years ago.
[00:04:10] So we go.
[00:04:11] We go to cons.
[00:04:12] We go to cons.
[00:04:13] Which you guys have been busy going to cons lately too,
[00:04:16] except for watching your Twitter feed and posting all the
[00:04:19] videos.
[00:04:20] And I want to ask you guys now that with the cons,
[00:04:23] you guys have been going to lately.
[00:04:25] How does it feel now that everything's kind of out and
[00:04:28] X-Men 97.
[00:04:29] Is out in the wild.
[00:04:31] Versus.
[00:04:32] And gain their responses now.
[00:04:35] Yeah.
[00:04:36] And I think for a couple of years there,
[00:04:38] it was what can you tell us about 97 and we could.
[00:04:41] Nothing or we'll get shot.
[00:04:43] You know, so that, that has been let go.
[00:04:46] So now we can talk about our show and how wonderful it was.
[00:04:49] And then we can talk about all the cool stuff in the new show
[00:04:52] and what's the same and what's different and what's
[00:04:55] updated and meeting, you know, the new cast and all this.
[00:04:58] It's like triple the amount of stuff we can talk to
[00:05:02] X-Men fans about.
[00:05:03] Oh, I know.
[00:05:04] I mean, even when you guys were back on it, you know,
[00:05:06] in 2022, we couldn't talk about it.
[00:05:08] It was just like teased and shown and whatnot.
[00:05:11] And that was it.
[00:05:12] And it honestly,
[00:05:15] Yeah, I got first, first tease at San Diego Comic Con.
[00:05:19] And we had the, and that's where we handed the card,
[00:05:22] but we got to see the,
[00:05:24] the photos of or pictures of Cyclops and Storm and everybody.
[00:05:29] So amazing.
[00:05:31] I like to point out too that people lost their minds at the
[00:05:34] concept that storm might have a Mohawk.
[00:05:37] And now that the full 10 episodes have played,
[00:05:42] I have not heard people losing their minds about that moment.
[00:05:45] So it's like, Hey,
[00:05:46] The Mohawk was amazing.
[00:05:48] I agree.
[00:05:49] I agree.
[00:05:50] We have done it once, you know, for,
[00:05:52] for one man's words,
[00:05:54] But you partner for season and,
[00:05:57] and evidently they thought this is,
[00:06:00] this is a cool way to go with her to differentiate it.
[00:06:02] So yeah, there it was.
[00:06:04] I think the nods to both the original that were in this
[00:06:09] plus the nods to the comic books and how many different
[00:06:13] storylines they pulled out of comics for the season was amazing.
[00:06:17] And to,
[00:06:19] for me though, I was truly like that kid again,
[00:06:22] you know, and I posted this on, on Twitter for you guys.
[00:06:25] It's like, I felt like every,
[00:06:27] every week it's like I'm back there on Saturday morning with my
[00:06:31] cereal watching, you know, Fox kids and watching the latest,
[00:06:35] you know, X men and I need more.
[00:06:39] It was only a feeling.
[00:06:43] I just picture you like waking up the kids and telling them,
[00:06:47] like let's go downstairs and watch this with cereal.
[00:06:49] Like I wish.
[00:06:51] Well, Jason,
[00:06:53] you made a point earlier that I think is so important and means so
[00:06:57] much now is that for those of us worked on it,
[00:07:00] for those of us who watched the original show.
[00:07:03] You know, okay, you watched the show, you enjoyed it,
[00:07:06] you liked it a little bit of it maybe stuck in your mind,
[00:07:09] stuck in your heart and you go on and you grow, you know,
[00:07:11] you live your life.
[00:07:13] And for decades.
[00:07:15] But 25 years have passed since the end of that.
[00:07:19] And then to come back and to have the team on X been 97,
[00:07:23] the kind of fidelity and affection and love and awareness
[00:07:29] that they bring to it.
[00:07:31] You had a great one.
[00:07:32] You had a great line about you raise a family and you had your
[00:07:36] kids and hopefully they go out in the world.
[00:07:38] And now it's like,
[00:07:39] and now we're playing with our grandchildren.
[00:07:41] It's weird.
[00:07:43] We're having the same games that we did 30 years ago with
[00:07:46] our kids and now they have kids and some day,
[00:07:49] but it all feels like the same family.
[00:07:52] Yes.
[00:07:53] The familiarity, the embrace of it,
[00:07:55] the feeling that this is what I loved and it's back and I can
[00:08:00] feel all those feelings again.
[00:08:02] Yeah.
[00:08:03] It feels like we never left.
[00:08:05] Oh God. Yeah.
[00:08:06] And listen when they,
[00:08:07] when they reached out to us and when they explained that
[00:08:11] they were not interested in doing a reboot,
[00:08:13] they were not interested in doing a reimagination or
[00:08:16] reinvention.
[00:08:17] They wanted to,
[00:08:18] they wanted it to feel like as you said the next season of
[00:08:22] the original X-Men series.
[00:08:23] It's like.
[00:08:24] Oh great.
[00:08:25] Yeah.
[00:08:26] Yeah.
[00:08:27] Good luck with all the technological changes and the
[00:08:31] cultural changes and the 60 years worth of books now.
[00:08:34] Yeah.
[00:08:35] And they made it feel like you could watch the last season
[00:08:39] of our show and then turn on to the, there's show and it feels
[00:08:43] like you're watching the same show.
[00:08:45] I mean, how do you do that?
[00:08:47] They've got 10 times budget.
[00:08:49] So it looks more beautiful.
[00:08:51] Oh yeah.
[00:08:52] How, I mean, not the word better.
[00:08:54] Just the depth.
[00:08:57] I mean,
[00:08:58] I feel like with the art,
[00:09:00] like they did such a great job with giving the same feel.
[00:09:06] It's all you're saying is with the technological advances,
[00:09:09] it gave the same feel.
[00:09:11] It was just clearer.
[00:09:12] Wasn't it?
[00:09:13] What is as foggy as in back in the 90s?
[00:09:16] And that was my,
[00:09:17] like my thing is when I first watched the first episode,
[00:09:19] I mean, I loved it, but I was like, man,
[00:09:21] it just feels too clean compared to what it was,
[00:09:24] you know,
[00:09:25] because we've got computer animation versus,
[00:09:27] you know,
[00:09:28] hand drawn and all of that.
[00:09:29] And like,
[00:09:30] where's the pixel fuzziness when you like are really close
[00:09:32] to the TV and just blur it.
[00:09:35] And just credit though, the reason that I think the reason
[00:09:39] they accomplished this, you know, credit the guy,
[00:09:42] you know, credit bow credit bow.
[00:09:44] Yeah.
[00:09:45] The mayo he said, he said, he put them,
[00:09:48] he laid down the law and said everybody that works on this show,
[00:09:51] artists, writers, staff has to be a crazed fan of the original
[00:09:56] show.
[00:09:57] So, so when we were brought on,
[00:09:59] which was months, months, months late after they got started,
[00:10:02] when we were brought on, there was this, you know,
[00:10:06] 100 square zoom call with all these people that were just,
[00:10:10] we're just like, oh,
[00:10:12] yeah,
[00:10:13] we can't wait to do it.
[00:10:15] We can't wait to, you know, knock it up a notch.
[00:10:17] And that was, so that was a, you know,
[00:10:19] brilliant decision.
[00:10:20] And you don't have to do that when you do,
[00:10:23] you know,
[00:10:24] eight out of 10 reboots and can, you know,
[00:10:26] stuff,
[00:10:27] stuff just kind of misses.
[00:10:29] It just doesn't quite feel right.
[00:10:31] It's, it's the stall chic, but the tone is wrong.
[00:10:35] Yeah.
[00:10:36] I got it.
[00:10:37] Yeah.
[00:10:38] Oh my God.
[00:10:39] Every seat, every episode, like we'd always just watch and we're
[00:10:43] like, oh, you cut up, you cut up.
[00:10:45] And we just talk about it.
[00:10:46] We've been talking about it every week.
[00:10:48] I'm just on the podcast.
[00:10:49] Like it's because, like you said, like it's,
[00:10:51] it's so like for those who haven't watched it,
[00:10:54] please watch it.
[00:10:55] Oh my goodness.
[00:10:56] Yeah.
[00:10:57] Even if you just watch X-Men 97,
[00:10:59] it gives you a reason to go back to 95.
[00:11:02] Like it's just that much more powerful and watch.
[00:11:05] I know a lot of us have those like, you know,
[00:11:08] on the corner skip credits or skip intro.
[00:11:11] Skip it.
[00:11:12] No, never once hit it.
[00:11:14] Never hit it for those had to hear that music every time.
[00:11:17] Never hit it.
[00:11:19] That intro music hits every time my phone rings right now.
[00:11:22] It's not even that.
[00:11:23] It's just like, I mean, it's my tone for Eric when he calls.
[00:11:26] Yeah.
[00:11:27] It's just like the whole season that when you guys put in a new,
[00:11:32] pretty much intro every episode, like that was brilliant.
[00:11:36] That was all.
[00:11:37] Oh, we didn't have the time to do that.
[00:11:40] But what an idea with a new person saying previously,
[00:11:43] oh X-Men.
[00:11:44] He's like, I'm sorry.
[00:11:45] We met.
[00:11:46] Norm Spencer did the original.
[00:11:48] The voice of our Cyclops passed a few years ago before this
[00:11:51] whole thing happened.
[00:11:52] And I was like, what are they going to do?
[00:11:54] We wondered who's going to say it.
[00:11:56] And they came up with this brilliant idea.
[00:11:58] Whoever is ever episode it is will let him or her.
[00:12:01] You do it.
[00:12:03] And then the changes, the little changes.
[00:12:05] But the changes within the opening intro. Oh my God.
[00:12:08] To me that was magical.
[00:12:09] Talk about Easter eggs.
[00:12:11] Yeah.
[00:12:12] Until you until you guys rip our hearts out and took gambit
[00:12:15] from us.
[00:12:16] Oh, oh,
[00:12:17] Oh,
[00:12:18] was everybody watched all 10 episodes?
[00:12:20] Has everyone watched?
[00:12:21] Yes.
[00:12:22] I'm telling you,
[00:12:23] I'm just telling everybody watching.
[00:12:25] Yeah.
[00:12:26] I haven't watched it.
[00:12:27] Yeah.
[00:12:28] Sorry.
[00:12:29] I mean, it's been a week long enough.
[00:12:31] It's long enough.
[00:12:32] That was fine.
[00:12:35] To mention here and now that for those of us,
[00:12:38] Theo doesn't count right now because he been out.
[00:12:41] But for the rest of us who watched it as it came out or
[00:12:44] it was a time that feeling of having a week's worth of,
[00:12:48] what did they just do?
[00:12:49] Oh my God.
[00:12:50] How are they going to do?
[00:12:51] What are they going to do?
[00:12:52] Talking with friends.
[00:12:53] I mean,
[00:12:54] that's playground conversation back when they were kids.
[00:12:56] Yeah.
[00:12:57] And now it's like coffee conversation.
[00:12:59] I was in mourning a little bit because gambit.
[00:13:02] Gambit is my favorite X-men.
[00:13:04] Like,
[00:13:05] and I loved them in the original and everything.
[00:13:07] And the way like he went out,
[00:13:10] the way they did it though was so respectful of his character
[00:13:14] though that he was always going to basically, you know,
[00:13:17] go, you know, remember me. Right? And do what he needed to do.
[00:13:22] Especially like, you know, look at how he did it for love too.
[00:13:27] Yeah.
[00:13:28] His love for Rogue.
[00:13:29] That last line.
[00:13:30] Even though she broke his heart.
[00:13:32] That's the last line.
[00:13:33] She didn't get a chance to share with him that.
[00:13:36] Yeah.
[00:13:37] Oh my God.
[00:13:38] That last line of that episode. Oh my God.
[00:13:41] Me and my wife are just bawling.
[00:13:43] We needed like a whole bunch of eye bleach.
[00:13:45] We need to watch like a good shit, like a happy show because they're just like,
[00:13:49] oh, like we have one week to just sit on there.
[00:13:52] Someone just like, oh, we can't do this.
[00:13:54] Like, oh.
[00:13:55] And it was impressive though with the way both set up season one is
[00:14:00] that the themes that we had back in the original animated show talking
[00:14:05] about the social dynamics that were going on the world were still there.
[00:14:09] Oh, like, and it felt like 97 back all, you know, what was going on in 97
[00:14:14] and stuff. And I loved how they grew Magneto to where he kind of was like,
[00:14:20] hey, you guys go, go protect the more locks. Let's get everybody out of here.
[00:14:25] Like, and then to turn around and have Rogue go off the deep end with
[00:14:33] and seeing the stages of grief.
[00:14:37] That was like amazing to see that because I've gone through it myself.
[00:14:41] And I will say this, having Rogue just drop him off the side of a building
[00:14:49] and Wolverine go, well, we were all thinking it, you know, it was,
[00:14:54] it was amazing.
[00:14:56] But when you see how they did that, how did it feel though?
[00:14:59] When I mean, essentially Gambit is one of your children.
[00:15:01] So how did it feel for you guys to see kind of the way Gambit went out?
[00:15:05] But just the fact that we did lose Gambit.
[00:15:07] Yeah, well, it's just, it was incredibly satisfying because one of our
[00:15:12] first big arguments, you know, struggles when we were setting up
[00:15:17] our show was we talked to the network saying, you know, I know
[00:15:21] you don't let lead characters get killed in kids shows.
[00:15:27] But we have to, the most important thing about X-Men is heroic
[00:15:31] sacrifice and that there are consequences to being an X-Men.
[00:15:34] So we have to kill Morph.
[00:15:36] We, you know, we're introducing Morph or introducing this character
[00:15:40] and make everybody love him as much as we can in like 30 minutes.
[00:15:44] And then we're going to have him sacrifice himself for the team
[00:15:48] and die.
[00:15:49] And they said that was just for Mark Eden's and me, you know,
[00:15:53] as my head writer, but I got the first 13.
[00:15:57] That was like our number one request and it took about three weeks,
[00:16:02] two, three weeks of talking with the network because obviously
[00:16:05] they're not comfortable to that to start.
[00:16:07] Gradually, Saturday morning kids show, gradually we established
[00:16:12] a trust with them over the seasons where they'd let us do
[00:16:15] stuff like that or like have a show about faith, which, you
[00:16:20] know, normally they just would say blanket.
[00:16:22] No.
[00:16:23] But so the fact that we understood how important that was to their
[00:16:27] world when they did it with Gambit, we just, it was incredibly
[00:16:30] satisfying.
[00:16:31] I mean, it was heartbreaking because they did it so nicely.
[00:16:34] But we just thought, you know, good on them for, for, for taking
[00:16:40] this all the way back to have to.
[00:16:42] And going back to X-Men, the animated series, the fact that,
[00:16:45] and I forget if we got to share with you the previous time we all
[00:16:48] talked, but that the character of Morph was honest to goodness.
[00:16:51] They did.
[00:16:53] But when you got the call to come back in season two, because
[00:16:56] we were only given 13 episode orders at a time and we would all
[00:16:59] been released after we finished our job on the first season.
[00:17:02] Yeah, we're starting to work on season two and we have a call
[00:17:04] from the network saying guys, we had, you know, we had a
[00:17:07] room full of nine year olds.
[00:17:08] We had a focus group.
[00:17:09] A focus group.
[00:17:10] Oh God.
[00:17:11] And you know, we asked them what their favorite movie was
[00:17:14] and Morph won by a landslide.
[00:17:16] And they said, oh, I'm going to be too lovable.
[00:17:18] And so can you please, please find a way he died off screen?
[00:17:21] Can you find a way that he's not dead at, you know, a year later?
[00:17:25] Please.
[00:17:26] And so, you know, we were hitting the wall and upset and oh God,
[00:17:31] this was such a big deal to us.
[00:17:33] But then we thought, well, suck it up.
[00:17:36] We're professional writers.
[00:17:37] We'll figure out something to do with it.
[00:17:39] And that's definitely got to be hard because I mean,
[00:17:42] they basically saying like, please undo what you just did.
[00:17:46] Can't.
[00:17:47] Oh, can't break something up.
[00:17:49] Okay.
[00:17:50] I don't know.
[00:17:51] I can hear you.
[00:17:52] Can you hear me?
[00:17:53] I'm going to keep talking.
[00:17:54] Yeah, we can hear you.
[00:17:55] Go ahead.
[00:17:56] You're fine.
[00:17:57] You're Matt.
[00:17:58] Yeah.
[00:17:59] Yeah.
[00:18:00] Yeah.
[00:18:01] We can hear you guys. Yeah.
[00:18:02] Okay.
[00:18:03] Yeah.
[00:18:04] There we go.
[00:18:05] It's all right.
[00:18:06] No, that's all good.
[00:18:07] Hey, we can hope that in 25 years, maybe when they do
[00:18:11] X-Men, whatever the next.
[00:18:14] Maybe they can bring Gambit back.
[00:18:16] Like they brought more back for this one.
[00:18:18] Well, I mean, I know you guys can't speak on this, but we can't.
[00:18:22] Whatever you're about to ask.
[00:18:23] We can't.
[00:18:24] We know Matt would want to say the very least.
[00:18:26] I'm just saying there's theories already running ramp it as far
[00:18:29] as what the end credits mean and whatnot.
[00:18:32] Yeah.
[00:18:33] I'm personally hoping for that to happen, but, you know,
[00:18:37] we can't talk about anything happening with season two.
[00:18:39] No, I'm not.
[00:18:40] But, um,
[00:18:41] I'm not sure what's going on with season two.
[00:18:43] But yeah, I will say this though.
[00:18:45] I think I loved morph.
[00:18:47] Even more.
[00:18:48] With 97.
[00:18:50] Because we got to see morph be morph.
[00:18:53] And just go off and just with every iteration,
[00:18:56] I think my favorite though is when he turned into the
[00:18:59] Incredible Hulk and just went morph smash and just, you know,
[00:19:02] it was, it was, it was classic morph and seeing all the
[00:19:05] different X-Men that we weren't, you know,
[00:19:08] we had to see, you know, with turning classes and quick silver
[00:19:12] and all those different ones.
[00:19:14] It was such an ode to them.
[00:19:17] And then seeing the evolution of nightcrawler, like we actually
[00:19:20] get to see him be the man of faith that he always has been
[00:19:24] that you guys touched on and seeing him be it more.
[00:19:28] Like they pulled out no stops with, with 97.
[00:19:32] And I love it.
[00:19:33] And to see his relationship with rogue, the sibling relationship
[00:19:36] between the two of them. Oh my God.
[00:19:39] So, and all credit to the fact that so many of the voice talent
[00:19:43] were able to return.
[00:19:45] Adrian has the voice of nightcrawler, Lenore Zahn,
[00:19:48] one and only rogue.
[00:19:50] And yet the new voices who've been brought in again,
[00:19:55] Ray Chase somehow does most amazing Cyclops,
[00:19:59] Scott Summers.
[00:20:02] Because he said it's not, he's not mimicking the original voice,
[00:20:06] but he's got the spirit of it.
[00:20:08] Yeah.
[00:20:09] It's his own voice, but he's got the cadence and he's got the
[00:20:12] spirit and he's, and so you can set a kid down and watch
[00:20:16] once again one of our episodes and one of their episodes
[00:20:19] and the kids not going to say, oh, that's somebody different.
[00:20:22] I didn't really notice a difference.
[00:20:26] Yeah, I didn't notice.
[00:20:28] I thought it was great how like, even in the first episode,
[00:20:32] how you immediately could hear the annoyance between him and Logan.
[00:20:36] It's just like, oh my God, that's so on point.
[00:20:39] Like, how did they do this?
[00:20:41] Oh, and there is a sweet moment in, I think it's one for
[00:20:45] number one and number two where Val Cooper is talking to
[00:20:49] two Cyclops and it says to him,
[00:20:52] Professor X would be proud of what you've done.
[00:20:56] And then the voice of Val Cooper is our Catherine Disher.
[00:21:00] She was the original Jean Gray.
[00:21:02] And now it's like Jean, it's like Jean is saying to him,
[00:21:06] Professor would be proud of what you've done and to this,
[00:21:09] the new person taking over the role of Scott Summers.
[00:21:12] It was like a passing.
[00:21:14] And you know all these 30 something creatives that grew up
[00:21:17] in the show were very aware of that.
[00:21:19] We've got Jean's voice saying this line.
[00:21:22] So cool.
[00:21:24] I will say this. A.J. did an amazing job at Gambit.
[00:21:27] Yeah, he did.
[00:21:29] Yes.
[00:21:31] And just it was hard at first knowing that he'd been replaced,
[00:21:35] you know, like he was replacing the original,
[00:21:38] but then hearing the story of why it was taking place and the
[00:21:41] reverence they wanted to give to the original actor and have him
[00:21:44] be cable was amazing.
[00:21:47] It was like, so.
[00:21:50] And it becomes just a life thing.
[00:21:52] And then he was talking, we were at the last con.
[00:21:54] We were as he was talking to us is he took French in high school
[00:21:58] because he, because he wanted to be gambit.
[00:22:02] French name he wrote down for the class was Remy.
[00:22:05] Yeah.
[00:22:06] So that's the, there's that kind of dedication right there.
[00:22:10] There's that kind of a life-long excitement going into his
[00:22:13] performance.
[00:22:15] Yeah.
[00:22:17] So how is it when you guys are going to,
[00:22:19] you know,
[00:22:21] like the, you know,
[00:22:22] you're going to be getting really excited.
[00:22:25] And when we're just like,
[00:22:26] from the fans that grew up on animated series,
[00:22:29] now seeing you guys at these cons and talking about 97 other,
[00:22:32] it's out. How's it.
[00:22:33] How's, how does it feel for you guys?
[00:22:35] It's a giant wave of love.
[00:22:37] Yeah.
[00:22:38] It's a double one because we used to get a wave of love
[00:22:41] and then this kind of frowned and look.
[00:22:42] If you're going to be involved in a new show.
[00:22:44] They're not going to ruin it. Are they?
[00:22:47] We'll get the human shield, right?
[00:22:49] This anxious moment of suspicion, like it's not going to be right.
[00:22:54] It can't be.
[00:22:55] And now that it's right, it's just a double wave of love.
[00:22:59] We love the older, we love the new one.
[00:23:01] Thank you, thank you.
[00:23:02] Yeah.
[00:23:03] And that's the point, like we kind of briefed with that.
[00:23:06] But it did have, you know, going into this, we didn't know.
[00:23:09] Was it going to kind of go the way of some of the MCU stuff
[00:23:12] where it's kind of come out and falling on its face
[00:23:14] and not been, you know, the source material
[00:23:19] and respectful of that and everything.
[00:23:20] But this has come out and been now,
[00:23:22] you look at the internet and Twitter and everything else is that
[00:23:27] this is the standard.
[00:23:29] You guys went out and set the bar
[00:23:31] and everybody's like, this is what Marvel needs to be doing.
[00:23:36] And now we're taught, there's people talking about,
[00:23:38] let's go do, let's bring back Spider-Man,
[00:23:40] you know, the animated Spider-Man and all of that.
[00:23:45] It's, if only we had, you know,
[00:23:47] they still had that same reverence.
[00:23:49] It's like, you know, X-Men I think still was still the high,
[00:23:52] the bar, you know, between X-Men Animated Series
[00:23:56] and, you know, Batman Animated Series with Kevin Conway.
[00:23:58] Though you guys were the standards
[00:24:01] and still are the standards to me
[00:24:02] because I can go back and watch both those shows.
[00:24:05] And I'm still a kid again.
[00:24:08] No, we, executive Sidney, I want her again.
[00:24:12] If we said this before, you can stop us.
[00:24:15] Whoever saw both shows, every word,
[00:24:18] every minute of every one of the shows went through Sidney.
[00:24:24] You know, he was our immediate boss, our micromanager.
[00:24:27] Batman at Warner Brothers did have a significantly bigger
[00:24:30] budget and they had like a nearly an extra year's lead time
[00:24:34] versus X-Men the Animated Series.
[00:24:36] And you said going back and looking,
[00:24:39] you could, Batman is just beautiful.
[00:24:41] His court just look at it.
[00:24:43] Sidney had a line though.
[00:24:44] Yeah, he said that Batman is slow jazz
[00:24:48] and X-Men is a garage band.
[00:24:52] It's like, you know, I know.
[00:24:53] Okay, okay, okay.
[00:24:55] And we said, yeah, they're not it.
[00:24:57] Absolutely, that's what we each were handed.
[00:25:00] And we each ran with it
[00:25:02] and the shows are very different feels to each other
[00:25:05] but they both were special.
[00:25:09] They were in, you know, when we look at though
[00:25:13] X-Men 97, I will say this guys.
[00:25:14] This is the first time we've gotten really Jason
[00:25:17] to watch a Marvel show week after week.
[00:25:20] From start to finish week after week.
[00:25:24] And it's not because I'm that much
[00:25:26] of a Marvel hating person.
[00:25:28] I'm not, you know, I grew up on it.
[00:25:29] You're an MCU hater.
[00:25:31] I am an MCU hater.
[00:25:32] I'm not down with phase 15, phase 11.
[00:25:37] What about phase 97?
[00:25:38] Yeah, but I am down with that right now.
[00:25:41] And it's again, it's the childhood part
[00:25:45] where you guys were perfect in just bridging that
[00:25:51] like nothing happened.
[00:25:51] Like you said earlier.
[00:25:52] And one of the things that just instantly caught on was,
[00:25:56] yeah, like I wish, like I want to get your take
[00:26:00] on how you guys felt when you guys heard
[00:26:03] so many of the original voice actors coming back
[00:26:06] because they, I feel like for them,
[00:26:09] it's just again, it's like this decade long,
[00:26:13] multiple decade long journey that everyone's like,
[00:26:17] oh, we're coming back to this.
[00:26:18] Oh, this is what I remember it was like.
[00:26:21] This was like back in the day.
[00:26:23] This was fun to do.
[00:26:24] And my question for you guys is just like,
[00:26:27] how did it feel to have those guys come back
[00:26:30] and just like, oh my God, we're doing this again?
[00:26:32] And almost in the entirety of the cast.
[00:26:36] Again, there's been just enough lead time.
[00:26:39] And by that I mean, it's been what two and a half, three years
[00:26:42] since the first whispers that this was gonna happen.
[00:26:44] And the first time when people behind the scenes
[00:26:47] started moving all the pieces to get everything lined up
[00:26:50] and we were all under such strict NDAs
[00:26:54] that we were not communicating with each other.
[00:26:56] You know?
[00:26:57] Yeah.
[00:26:57] Wow.
[00:26:58] That's very strict.
[00:27:00] It was, oh, it wasn't until maybe a year and a half ago
[00:27:04] which sounds like a long time,
[00:27:05] but in this particular situation,
[00:27:08] then getting to hear their voices.
[00:27:12] And again, most they were all,
[00:27:14] most the old cast, original cast is up in Canada.
[00:27:16] Still up in Canada.
[00:27:17] And still up in Canada.
[00:27:19] So it's, oh my God, you know, that was magic.
[00:27:21] And it continues to be magic.
[00:27:23] And yeah.
[00:27:24] Yeah, we've gotten to know those folks
[00:27:26] at cons over the last five or six years
[00:27:28] where it's so odd to think about it.
[00:27:31] We never met any of them during production
[00:27:32] back in the 90s.
[00:27:34] We were writing like maniacs out here in LA
[00:27:37] and they were up in Toronto
[00:27:39] and we would get our audio cassette snail mailed us
[00:27:44] because there's no internet to listen,
[00:27:46] see how the performance was and give notes
[00:27:48] that would go back and they'd incorporate them.
[00:27:50] And so the only way we got to know most of the cast
[00:27:55] was when I did that original...
[00:27:59] There's audio.
[00:28:00] Maybe it's on X-Men.
[00:28:01] There's a real history book about the making of the show.
[00:28:04] That was the reason you...
[00:28:05] Oh, feel free to self promote your books.
[00:28:08] Yeah, please.
[00:28:09] So this was even like pre-Zoom.
[00:28:13] That was like 2015 when I started calling them up there.
[00:28:18] So it was just on the phone and we both said it was so odd
[00:28:23] because I'd listened to their voices for four and a half
[00:28:27] years and I'd never met them.
[00:28:30] And they'd been reading my words for four and a half
[00:28:33] years and they'd never met me.
[00:28:34] And so that made for very fun phone calls
[00:28:37] when I was interviewing them.
[00:28:38] Yeah, there you go.
[00:28:39] Yeah.
[00:28:40] And the cover art by our head designer, Will Minio.
[00:28:43] Minio, producer, head producer, director of the show.
[00:28:45] For those watching this stream right now,
[00:28:47] we have it up on Theo's little...
[00:28:50] It's on Amazon.
[00:28:51] I mean, where can you find anything on Amazon?
[00:28:54] If you contact us, we'd be happy to get you a signed copy
[00:28:57] for like $5 more.
[00:28:59] Oh, there you go.
[00:29:01] Yeah, we can make...
[00:29:03] Very close to the same price as Amazon.
[00:29:05] Yeah, but with our signatures sent to you.
[00:29:08] Yeah, yeah.
[00:29:10] So that makes it easier for you to reach out
[00:29:12] and get to know them better.
[00:29:13] Yeah.
[00:29:14] Get to know them.
[00:29:14] And then since then we've been able to sort of meet
[00:29:18] with each other and be at cons together,
[00:29:20] cons and fasts and at X-Men 97 events.
[00:29:22] And just share all the fan love.
[00:29:24] I mean, you're there for a three day con
[00:29:26] with somebody you got to eat with them
[00:29:27] and you've gone panels with them.
[00:29:30] And so you just get to...
[00:29:31] We've gotten to know them over the last five years.
[00:29:33] This is really...
[00:29:34] That's awesome.
[00:29:35] Which while we're giving you free advertising.
[00:29:37] So everybody, if you go to crashandgaminite.com,
[00:29:41] contributors and guests on Eric and Julia's profile page,
[00:29:45] we actually have their website already up.
[00:29:47] So you can go there, click on contact us
[00:29:49] and contact with them.
[00:29:52] That should send you to our email page.
[00:29:55] I got our Gmail page, which yeah, good Lord.
[00:29:59] Yeah.
[00:30:00] We don't have a web shop yet.
[00:30:03] We haven't figured out how to do that.
[00:30:04] Okay, we'll just do it all automatically.
[00:30:06] Yeah.
[00:30:07] You can contact us and order stuff.
[00:30:09] Send mail page.
[00:30:09] Absolutely.
[00:30:11] But anyway, so I have to ask,
[00:30:13] did you guys have a favorite moment in 97?
[00:30:17] As you guys were watching it as fans,
[00:30:19] not as the writers, but as more,
[00:30:21] as just your fans and watching your kids kinda...
[00:30:24] Like you talked about your kids growing up
[00:30:26] and becoming the grandkids and...
[00:30:28] The crazy thing also,
[00:30:30] and just looking back on this process,
[00:30:32] you and I were, we were each again under strict NDAs.
[00:30:36] We each got to read all the scripts.
[00:30:38] We each got to see the amazing animatics,
[00:30:40] which is a generational...
[00:30:42] The rough sketches with the voices
[00:30:44] and some rough sound on it,
[00:30:45] which we didn't have climber money to do.
[00:30:48] No, we said storyboard.
[00:30:50] Here's a script, here's a storyboard.
[00:30:51] Here's the voice recording.
[00:30:53] Like four months later,
[00:30:54] we see the finished product come back from overseas.
[00:30:56] So...
[00:30:58] But we'd read everything.
[00:30:59] We'd seen everything.
[00:31:00] We'd heard the voices.
[00:31:01] But it was, but it's not real till it's all together.
[00:31:04] Yeah, right.
[00:31:05] And seeing it and...
[00:31:10] I think what got me the most
[00:31:12] was actually the first trailer that they'd released,
[00:31:14] Disney 4XM97,
[00:31:17] that great setup with the TV,
[00:31:19] with the tape on top of the VHS in the bottom.
[00:31:22] And it starts and it plays
[00:31:25] and a few moments from graduation day,
[00:31:28] the last episode of the original X-Men series
[00:31:31] started to play and then they roll it into...
[00:31:34] Oh my God, that stuck in my...
[00:31:36] It stays in my heart.
[00:31:37] That was just insane.
[00:31:39] Yeah, and you could imagine
[00:31:40] the amount of emotion that went into that last big scene
[00:31:43] where Xavier's saying goodbye to everybody,
[00:31:45] his death scene before his leaves.
[00:31:49] And so all the residual is that.
[00:31:52] But you gotta admit that I hate to be predictable,
[00:31:57] but the gambits big moment and the reaction,
[00:32:02] because one of our favorite things
[00:32:04] in doing the original was when Morph was killed
[00:32:08] and suddenly these empaths are sensing...
[00:32:11] I don't sense them anymore.
[00:32:15] And same kind of thing only,
[00:32:16] like larger, more operatic.
[00:32:18] And stuff we couldn't do,
[00:32:20] stuff we couldn't show.
[00:32:22] Screams we couldn't build because we're doing a kid's show.
[00:32:26] And the fact that they took it all the way with him,
[00:32:28] but that was just beautiful.
[00:32:30] And Rogue taking off her glove and going,
[00:32:33] I can't feel him.
[00:32:34] Like that hit.
[00:32:36] And that works in the black screen.
[00:32:38] Getting that line.
[00:32:39] That's it works.
[00:32:40] Yes. Oh my God.
[00:32:43] Let me put it out there
[00:32:44] for whoever's got a voting opportunity please.
[00:32:46] And I hope they all submitted voice cast Emmys.
[00:32:50] Come on people.
[00:32:51] Come on.
[00:32:52] Come on.
[00:32:53] Cause I'll be slightly bitter.
[00:32:55] Good old X-Men never got nominated back in the day.
[00:32:57] Yeah, it wasn't the kind of thing that in the 90s,
[00:33:00] that we worked on Winnie the Pooh, which we love.
[00:33:04] We've got a couple of,
[00:33:06] was that got a couple of,
[00:33:07] not when we were working.
[00:33:09] But so that was more the kind of show
[00:33:12] that they'd award for a daytime kid's Emmy.
[00:33:15] Now this is, you know,
[00:33:18] adult animation is it's screen.
[00:33:20] So it's just competing against
[00:33:22] any other sophisticated animation.
[00:33:24] And supposedly it's the front runner
[00:33:26] to grab an Emmy.
[00:33:27] And it's nominated at the Gotham Awards,
[00:33:31] which is a new show that's coming out.
[00:33:34] All right.
[00:33:35] Starting up there.
[00:33:35] I think the awards are in like two weeks or something.
[00:33:38] Soon in June.
[00:33:39] Yeah. Come on.
[00:33:41] Oh, one more moment that just killed me.
[00:33:43] November 27th.
[00:33:45] Oh, I thought it was in June.
[00:33:46] Okay. November 27th.
[00:33:47] All right.
[00:33:48] Well, that's delightful then.
[00:33:49] A moment when after the tragedy in episode five,
[00:33:54] episode six, Beast and others of the team go to Genosha
[00:33:58] and as they're coming out of the hell,
[00:34:01] out of the jet, Beast quotes Mr. Rogers,
[00:34:05] you know, always look for the helpers, you know?
[00:34:07] And it's like he's quoting Mr. Rogers.
[00:34:09] That's gonna choke me up right now too.
[00:34:12] But that was one of the most beautiful uses
[00:34:14] of that kind of callback ever
[00:34:16] to have Beast quote Mr. Rogers.
[00:34:18] So I'm gonna correct myself.
[00:34:19] So, Julie, you are right.
[00:34:21] So there was a correction on an article.
[00:34:23] So it is June 4th for the award show.
[00:34:27] Oh, cool.
[00:34:28] Soon, soon.
[00:34:29] The Gotham TV Awards.
[00:34:30] So like two weeks.
[00:34:33] Yeah.
[00:34:34] I think that all the nominations are well worth it
[00:34:37] to that show and I think they need more.
[00:34:40] It's just, there's so much we could talk about
[00:34:44] and fill, you know, just with every episode
[00:34:47] and I also love the, for me,
[00:34:51] one of the biggest things of the show too is
[00:34:54] the respect they gave to the cable storyline
[00:34:57] from the comics. Oh my gosh.
[00:34:58] Which is not an easy thing to portray.
[00:35:01] No.
[00:35:02] You know, you know, a phone mother time travel.
[00:35:06] I'm big but I'm your little kid.
[00:35:09] And what's even better is they're doing the whole
[00:35:15] darn thing because it's one of those things that at the end of,
[00:35:21] you know, the last episode of the season,
[00:35:23] the one when they go to the future,
[00:35:26] that's actually, that's Rachel Summers.
[00:35:29] That's their daughter.
[00:35:30] And they're doing it where, what it was in the comics
[00:35:33] where she rips them into the future to help cable.
[00:35:35] And it's just like all the history from the comics
[00:35:40] and the show, Beau set up so well.
[00:35:44] And I know we, nobody knows the full story.
[00:35:48] We're not going to get into it.
[00:35:49] Nope.
[00:35:50] Whoever knows about it, we're not going to get into it.
[00:35:51] It's just, it is sad that things had to part
[00:35:54] the way they did right before the debut.
[00:35:57] Beau has been nothing but supportive though
[00:36:00] on social media of everybody's work
[00:36:03] and promoting it, even promoting back
[00:36:06] to the original anime series.
[00:36:08] He's been like, Hey, if you go back and watch this episode,
[00:36:11] you know, you'll see it.
[00:36:13] Oh, his homework for the episodes that were coming up
[00:36:15] saying, I suggest you watch it.
[00:36:17] Yeah, that was hilarious.
[00:36:19] I love that.
[00:36:19] That was beautiful.
[00:36:21] I was loving watching every week on Twitter
[00:36:24] with how he was promoting it.
[00:36:25] And it was still kind of sad that it was like,
[00:36:27] you know, it's me.
[00:36:28] It was like, you know, whatever it was,
[00:36:31] Disney, Marvel, make up with the guy.
[00:36:34] Yeah.
[00:36:35] You know.
[00:36:37] Yeah, it's it's it's it's shame.
[00:36:39] But I mean, it's Hollywood could be a tough place.
[00:36:41] Yes. But everybody everybody knows
[00:36:44] who did the great work on this.
[00:36:46] Oh, yeah. So absolutely.
[00:36:47] That's not going away even, you know,
[00:36:49] if he's not there for the next season.
[00:36:52] And, you know, maybe we'll we'll find out another,
[00:36:56] you know, when the next season comes out,
[00:36:57] if you guys are involved as consulting producers
[00:37:00] on season two, you know, we won't say anything
[00:37:03] because we are.
[00:37:05] So hey.
[00:37:06] Hey, we're just we're just the one thing
[00:37:10] we can talk about.
[00:37:11] Yeah.
[00:37:12] They have green and they have green lit three
[00:37:14] and we're we're signing up for that.
[00:37:16] Wow. Nice. OK.
[00:37:17] Congratulations.
[00:37:19] I was trying to skate around NDA.
[00:37:21] So we didn't really if you guys were.
[00:37:23] That was a no.
[00:37:24] That's that's that's that's public.
[00:37:26] That's public. All right.
[00:37:27] We say that that's how we skate.
[00:37:30] We we we can urge you just a little bit.
[00:37:32] And then as soon as we say, hey, we're not talking.
[00:37:35] Yeah, we're not talking about it.
[00:37:37] But no, that's that's awesome, because I think.
[00:37:40] Having you guys involved, even on the consulting production standpoint,
[00:37:44] he insures the heart is still there.
[00:37:47] Like you guys are very much the heart
[00:37:50] and the nervous system of X-Men animated like.
[00:37:55] And we wouldn't have honestly, I think we wouldn't have
[00:37:59] X-Men 97 without you guys giving us animated
[00:38:03] back in in the 90s, right?
[00:38:06] Yeah. And I'll say X-Men, the animated series
[00:38:10] was was the bridge was the gateway was whatever it was
[00:38:14] to introduce a large population pool
[00:38:18] to a thing they didn't know existed.
[00:38:19] His X-Men books were the most popular.
[00:38:22] But that was this many people.
[00:38:24] Small portion of the culture back then
[00:38:26] and there wasn't a Twitter, there was no Google,
[00:38:28] there was no 24 hours, anything.
[00:38:30] So you and the introducing of the concept of mutants
[00:38:33] and X-Men and who these players are
[00:38:35] and what's going on in this world fell to the animated series.
[00:38:39] Yeah. And the audience that found it grew and kept growing.
[00:38:44] Yeah. And again, more always more credit
[00:38:47] to our colleague, Larry Houston, who knew the books
[00:38:51] backwards and forward, who lived and read the books
[00:38:54] at a time when we were learning them quickly.
[00:38:57] We were novices when we started the show.
[00:38:59] And Larry was Larry and Wilminio were the.
[00:39:02] And you couldn't tell.
[00:39:03] Statesmen of X-Men saying, you know, this is an X-Men story.
[00:39:06] This isn't, you know, and this is why.
[00:39:09] And hearing that from them and running with it,
[00:39:14] they were really inspirational to us, those two artists.
[00:39:17] And I will say this night at the Sentinel
[00:39:20] is still one of my favorite episodes like that two parter just
[00:39:25] and that's the kickoff, right?
[00:39:27] And to see that they paid homage.
[00:39:29] And that was one of the things when the second they put that
[00:39:32] in the hall, the hall, mall scene, I was like, night at the Sentinel.
[00:39:35] You know, that's that's what it is and and whatnot.
[00:39:39] So it's.
[00:39:42] No amount of thanks could be given to you guys
[00:39:44] for what you've given us.
[00:39:46] And like it's funny is like I saw a lot of TikToks
[00:39:49] that were these millennials, the gen alphas that were,
[00:39:53] you know, these 20-something girls are like, we didn't ask for this.
[00:39:55] Why are you guys doing this?
[00:39:56] And so much of my generation, Gen X and, you know, part of the
[00:40:02] issue, we've everybody's come to the defense and going,
[00:40:04] we've been asking this for this for 25 years.
[00:40:07] Yeah, you know, it's our time.
[00:40:09] And but that just goes to show you just how much staying power
[00:40:14] X men had.
[00:40:15] And like even the shows that you guys were involved with,
[00:40:18] right? And how much staying power because like I was talking
[00:40:21] to a friend of mine and he wanted to ask, hey, are you
[00:40:24] guys going to bring back gargoyles now that X men is,
[00:40:29] you know, brought back in this way?
[00:40:31] It's like, can we bring back our girls now?
[00:40:33] Because I bet they are.
[00:40:35] And the guy who's baby girl is what's Greg Weisman.
[00:40:38] We'll be will be there in front.
[00:40:41] I'm ready. I'll do it.
[00:40:43] You know, it's.
[00:40:46] It's it's it's you lived and breathed the first
[00:40:50] 65 episodes are all young.
[00:40:52] Yeah. So yeah, they'll bring it back.
[00:40:54] I bet hope with the with X men 97
[00:40:59] being received the way it's been received,
[00:41:01] given the dedication and devotion that's gone into it.
[00:41:06] Hopefully if folks look at properties and go, well, maybe we'll
[00:41:09] look at that one to reconsider.
[00:41:12] Hopefully they'll do it with the same care and consideration.
[00:41:15] We can hope because I didn't think 97 was going to happen ever.
[00:41:19] And then it happened.
[00:41:20] And then it became and now it is like this is crazy.
[00:41:24] This is just crazy in a good way.
[00:41:27] Yeah, definitely.
[00:41:28] It was it was for sure the way that you guys approached it very
[00:41:31] like cautiously vary with the the 95 thoughts
[00:41:38] because like we've said a few times on the podcast myself mostly
[00:41:43] a lot of remakes, a lot of remasters, a lot of people will start to
[00:41:49] like, oh, it's what it's supposed to be like this.
[00:41:51] And then you switch it in and they're like, wait a second, no, like
[00:41:54] why did you change it up all of a sudden?
[00:41:56] And like what what what's going on?
[00:41:59] It's different. We don't like it.
[00:42:00] You know, it's not following what it was before.
[00:42:03] And you know, it's every episode I felt like was just
[00:42:07] I couldn't stop watching because it was just done like another
[00:42:11] Saturday morning, like another day.
[00:42:14] Like like like Matt said, me and my wife would just get serial
[00:42:18] and on our pajamas like watch it as soon as we both get home
[00:42:22] because we got home late on Wednesday and we're like
[00:42:25] just in pajamas, getting ready for bed.
[00:42:26] Like you ready to watch this? Yeah.
[00:42:28] Yeah. Yeah.
[00:42:30] Yep.
[00:42:31] I had a nice one.
[00:42:31] That's because I mean at the same time, like you X met
[00:42:35] original X man, the animated series, like I'm sure these guys would agree
[00:42:39] was pretty much perfect.
[00:42:41] So I mean, you don't fix what they broke.
[00:42:44] So that's why I continue doing what you do.
[00:42:47] Now, the thing that you and I will sometimes and with Larry kind of
[00:42:52] not laugh about, but go, my gosh, take, for example, episode five
[00:42:57] in and don't not even get to what happens at the end there.
[00:43:02] But it opens at the at the school
[00:43:06] and heavy conversations are happening among them in their civilian clothes
[00:43:10] with reporters and what have you.
[00:43:13] And Logan and Jean are out by a pond, you know, bucolic
[00:43:18] and she's having a moment and golly, she OK, spoiler alert,
[00:43:23] but she she leans over and she kisses him.
[00:43:26] And it's like, dear God, that would have been a two parter back.
[00:43:29] Right.
[00:43:30] That one scene building up the.
[00:43:32] Getting to that moment.
[00:43:34] And that was just in the first like three minutes
[00:43:37] and they're off to the races with more.
[00:43:39] I mean, yeah. Night.
[00:43:41] The the amount of story they would have been one of those things.
[00:43:44] I'm standing on the dock and it's like to be continued.
[00:43:47] Yeah.
[00:43:48] It was like half an inch from each other's face.
[00:43:51] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
[00:43:52] I.
[00:43:54] I will say, I think the season ripped our hearts out
[00:43:59] like both in a bad way, but in a good way, too.
[00:44:02] Like, but man, they did they did Wolverine dirty, too.
[00:44:08] Oh, yeah.
[00:44:09] But just to see that actually like what we've seen in the comics growing up
[00:44:13] and knowing that Magneto had that power to do that.
[00:44:16] And then just to say, you know what?
[00:44:18] Boom, we're just going to do it.
[00:44:19] And I think that's the benefit that Bowen Company had by doing it on Disney Plus.
[00:44:24] They could do it as more of an emrated,
[00:44:27] you know, adult more show versus what you guys have on the Saturday morning
[00:44:30] cartoon for kids. Yes.
[00:44:33] Because there's no way Fox at that time would have OK to
[00:44:36] because he's ripping the Atomaniom race out of Wolverine.
[00:44:41] Yeah. Yeah.
[00:44:42] And if you notice in 76 episodes, Wolverine could never never stabbed anybody
[00:44:46] that you could see he ripped apart a bunch of robots,
[00:44:49] but no human ever got impaled in 76.
[00:44:53] Because it just was against the law.
[00:44:56] I mean, there was there were there were limits to what we could do.
[00:45:00] And that was one of them.
[00:45:01] Couldn't lose that G rating.
[00:45:04] Right.
[00:45:06] Well, when they ask you guys, because with the parallels you guys have,
[00:45:08] you know, for social, you know, for the social commentary and stuff like that,
[00:45:11] though, what did you guys think when you finally saw
[00:45:15] the attack on Genosha and pretty much it was basically like the Holocaust all over again?
[00:45:21] Yeah. That was an interesting point.
[00:45:23] I remember when you were in crafting the X-Men books for the animated series.
[00:45:30] This was 92 was when that was happening.
[00:45:32] But the books and it was like the 80s when Magneto, that whole.
[00:45:37] Well, no, in nineteen, nineteen sixty three when they
[00:45:41] Jack, when Jack and Stan started the books, you meet Magneto and Xavier
[00:45:47] and they are they both been through the Second World War.
[00:45:51] And you make Magneto was a Holocaust survivor.
[00:45:54] And we couldn't quite I mean, that would have made them too old.
[00:45:57] We did. And we couldn't use that.
[00:45:59] We didn't really play it.
[00:46:00] I know they did it in the movie, but we just thought just does that make Magneto 80?
[00:46:04] You know, we had Cheetahs.
[00:46:07] But so yeah, we have some flashbacks when they're younger.
[00:46:11] But but just that kind of that kind of depth is something we could talk about
[00:46:18] in Saturday morning cartoon to inform the depth of Magneto's feelings.
[00:46:22] But to show to show this this oasis of mutants and this this haven for them
[00:46:30] just ripped the shreds by and in real time, it's just OK.
[00:46:37] The stakes are this high and and it was obviously the spectacle was wonderful.
[00:46:41] It wasn't gratuitous.
[00:46:43] It wasn't you know, it wasn't a slasher movie or something.
[00:46:48] But it was important to show.
[00:46:50] This is how ruthless the feelings are against these people
[00:46:55] and the people have to deal with it. It's it's real.
[00:46:57] And yeah, it was very effective.
[00:47:00] And who would have thought that dear little leech would have had one of the
[00:47:03] lines just ripped your heart out and then Magneto.
[00:47:08] Don't be afraid.
[00:47:10] That line just hit home.
[00:47:12] It was like, dude, Magneto, like this is where you see him be.
[00:47:18] Like everybody knows he cared about mutant kind, right?
[00:47:21] Just from the original show.
[00:47:22] And, you know, he was fighting a different battle.
[00:47:24] But this was just showing his pure heart, just like, guys,
[00:47:29] I can't fight this.
[00:47:31] I mean, at the time we thought he had died in perish, but it was like at this point
[00:47:35] he's like, I can't fight this anymore.
[00:47:36] I'm.
[00:47:38] You know, this is just don't be afraid.
[00:47:40] We'll be OK type of a thing to hear that come out of Magneto was powerful
[00:47:46] beyond measure.
[00:47:48] And then even then, like later on when he's captured and they talk about
[00:47:51] the the type, you know, the numbers on his wrist and he's like,
[00:47:55] I've already been, you know, I've already had that.
[00:47:57] And it's like.
[00:47:59] I don't think it's like this generation, right?
[00:48:03] The younger generations really understand what power that actually was
[00:48:07] really talking about and that goes back to, you know, the internment camps.
[00:48:13] I just I don't see how you guys.
[00:48:16] I mean, I know you guys can't because it's it's already been talked
[00:48:20] about season two has already been kind of laid out by, you know,
[00:48:22] Bohad of vision and Disney has already come out and said they're going
[00:48:24] to honor that vision for season two.
[00:48:26] But how do you I don't see how you top this like I mean, this season one was
[00:48:33] like we thought they talked about the original animated series was pure
[00:48:37] perfection season one was perfection.
[00:48:40] Yeah, thank you and good night.
[00:48:43] And we're done.
[00:48:45] Yeah.
[00:48:46] So so yeah, interestingly, in season one for us, the first 13,
[00:48:50] we all you know, we were all let go as soon as we were done with our
[00:48:53] work and thought, well, we were the hints were or the lack of
[00:48:58] belief in Hollywood that this would be successful made us, especially
[00:49:02] Larry and the artist say, let's just man, let's put everything we can
[00:49:06] into it. The budget isn't there.
[00:49:07] Let's drive the producing people and the animators crazy.
[00:49:10] Well, let's jam this with and the most intense 13 and a half
[00:49:15] hours we can do on kids TV.
[00:49:18] And if we have to leave it, they have to go up in flames
[00:49:21] and we have to leave it there.
[00:49:23] We at least will have these 13 and we'll have them forever.
[00:49:26] No. And then it caught on.
[00:49:28] It was a hit and suddenly, OK, now you're going to have to
[00:49:31] know you're going to tell your 50 years.
[00:49:33] You're going to do it again.
[00:49:34] How do you do it again?
[00:49:35] And the nice thing was as Mark, my my head writer pointed out, he said,
[00:49:41] OK, you did all this with detail work to set this world up.
[00:49:46] Now we can get more specific.
[00:49:49] Now we can spend a whole episode just with two or three,
[00:49:53] like with Beast and Jubilee and Wolverine and basically not see anybody else.
[00:49:57] Or storm when she records Africa.
[00:49:59] Yes, or Storm goes back to the one.
[00:50:01] She wrote Storm and Rogue go back to Africa.
[00:50:04] And it's all about Storm in her past.
[00:50:06] And you touch the other people for 30 seconds, but you just basically
[00:50:09] get a storm episode.
[00:50:11] So you can do there's room within these deep characters
[00:50:15] to have some really intense stories.
[00:50:17] Again, you don't have to use stuff from the books.
[00:50:20] We often didn't run with Storm run or you have a have Wolverine
[00:50:26] out in the wilderness leaving the X-Men again.
[00:50:28] And what does he find on the road?
[00:50:30] Spend it a half hour with him.
[00:50:32] Because now you've got everybody's trust.
[00:50:35] You can you can.
[00:50:36] Yeah, you can.
[00:50:38] You don't have to hear the you don't have to worry about.
[00:50:41] Oh, but where are the other seven?
[00:50:43] Well, we know them now with their family now.
[00:50:45] You can help me some gently and spend time with one or two people.
[00:50:50] And that's I think some of our best stories were.
[00:50:54] I definitely agree with that.
[00:50:55] Like it's probably lead to my question for everybody
[00:51:00] because I want to ask what your guys's favorite part of season one was
[00:51:04] because since you're talking about specific stories for people like
[00:51:08] my favorite episode of the season, like granted, there was some great
[00:51:12] like climaxes and everything.
[00:51:13] But my favorite show episode of the season was episode four, Jubilee's story.
[00:51:19] Which was so amazing.
[00:51:20] It was just like finally got to see some true side to Jubilee, get some real fun.
[00:51:26] Like it really hit me hard because like I am really into like the computer
[00:51:30] science and stuff in the video games and everything.
[00:51:32] And like really kind of touching on the aspect of AI with it as well.
[00:51:37] It's like it was just so great.
[00:51:39] So like I have that question for all four of you.
[00:51:41] But starting with Eric and Julia, like what was your favorite part of season one?
[00:51:45] Can I also jump in and just say how great that Allison court
[00:51:49] got to come in on that episode?
[00:51:52] I mean, that was brilliant and wonderful.
[00:51:55] It was amazing.
[00:51:56] I mean, that yes, you know, and Holly Chow, who's now doing the voice of Jubilee.
[00:52:01] And it was oh my God, that was wonderful.
[00:52:03] Again, that shows you the fidelity, the care that's gone into this.
[00:52:07] I mean, it definitely was like again, another passing of the torch
[00:52:11] because I mean, like Future Jubilee was able to teach
[00:52:16] like the 97 Jubilee, the French Jubilee.
[00:52:19] Like, yeah, like this is your power.
[00:52:22] This is this is what you can use.
[00:52:24] This is this is not just making colors and little explosions.
[00:52:27] You can use it. Yeah.
[00:52:29] Like this is who I am, but this is who you need to be.
[00:52:31] And like again, it's like a voice actor to voice actor.
[00:52:34] Just just constantly just going back and forth.
[00:52:37] Like like this, this is you now.
[00:52:40] Like run with it, have fun, enjoy the moment because it's amazing.
[00:52:44] It's amazing.
[00:52:45] Like the people love it.
[00:52:47] Yeah, I think I can't keep from thinking of it
[00:52:52] like as a showrunner trying to think about how the day they how
[00:52:56] what episodes one through 10 fit together and often
[00:52:59] that the two hardest things usually for a season are a pilot
[00:53:04] script just to set everything up because you have to all
[00:53:07] this pipe to lay.
[00:53:09] Well, you're trying to tell a good story and that was good.
[00:53:12] But is the the the wrap up at the end of a season
[00:53:16] can you stick the landing?
[00:53:18] We have a dog in distress.
[00:53:20] We have a dog. Oh, you're fine.
[00:53:21] Yeah, yeah. So so that I really respect
[00:53:24] at the end there before they do the foreshadowing of season two
[00:53:28] with the last couple of scenes, they basically wrap up
[00:53:32] the first season of stories really nicely.
[00:53:34] And so they stuck the ending.
[00:53:36] They they they resolved they nailed it nicely.
[00:53:40] And that was that was really satisfying for me.
[00:53:42] Just from a craft point of view, I just couldn't get past how
[00:53:46] how well they moved to that and ended with that.
[00:53:48] So that was that was a real highlight for me.
[00:53:52] And if you happen to watch the first episode went and the beautiful
[00:53:57] mirror with with the sunspot character coming in for Jubeel.
[00:54:01] Yeah, yeah.
[00:54:02] In the opening and he wakes up in what we realize as beasts
[00:54:06] slab and looks around.
[00:54:08] Well, if you happen to look at the bookshelf,
[00:54:11] there's a book with Jay Lee wall there on the shelf, which they said
[00:54:15] Easter egg to me.
[00:54:16] And then Easter egg to you was the appearance of Animal Farm by George Orwell,
[00:54:20] which oh, we got a story.
[00:54:23] If you want a really obscure principal story,
[00:54:26] why the book Animal Farm is both in our original when Beast is in jail.
[00:54:31] He's he's sitting there reading and the guards comment on it and why it's in the new one.
[00:54:36] It's because of me in ninth grade.
[00:54:39] I was in ninth grade and it was at the end of gym class in Tennessee
[00:54:43] in East Tennessee and we're waiting to go to lunch.
[00:54:47] And the valedict, the smartest guy in school,
[00:54:50] Charles Friedman is sitting next to me waiting to go to lunch
[00:54:54] and he's reading Animal Farm ninth grader.
[00:54:56] He's reading Orwell. That's cool.
[00:54:59] And our coach came by and looked over and oh, look how free but over.
[00:55:04] He's like he's reading the little kitty book about animals.
[00:55:08] So I put Animal Farm in Beast's hands in like episode three
[00:55:12] and had the guard say, oh, look at that.
[00:55:15] He's my bed.
[00:55:16] He's looking at the pictures of that book.
[00:55:19] It's a strange call back to my ninth grade experience
[00:55:25] with the idiot coach not knowing that Animal Farm was.
[00:55:28] Yeah, so there you go. There we are.
[00:55:30] You found it. Oh my God, that's perfect.
[00:55:32] Yeah. So that's that's a real deep dive.
[00:55:36] That's a big one.
[00:55:36] Meadow's good.
[00:55:38] And then there's both Animal Farm and really well.
[00:55:41] Yeah.
[00:55:42] And then there's also the other Easter egg when they're looking
[00:55:44] at the Magneto protocol.
[00:55:47] And the aliases are the actors.
[00:55:51] Yep. We've played Magneto.
[00:55:54] David Hemblon and Ian McKellen and Michael.
[00:55:59] No, Michael Fassbender.
[00:56:00] But they could put their full names just because of contractual.
[00:56:04] But it's like we know this.
[00:56:07] I think for you as the Gambit fan,
[00:56:11] we shared with you probably about the the mistake.
[00:56:15] Yeah.
[00:56:16] Yeah, yeah.
[00:56:16] Still in there.
[00:56:17] Still in there.
[00:56:18] You thought, OK, good.
[00:56:19] It's still there.
[00:56:21] And we shared that with the X-Men 97 team.
[00:56:23] And when Gambit's in the opening title sequence, it goes by faster.
[00:56:27] But it's there and it's upside down.
[00:56:28] It's still there.
[00:56:29] Yeah. I even pause it.
[00:56:31] I was like, OK, look at this.
[00:56:32] Look at this.
[00:56:33] Yeah.
[00:56:34] I was like, look at that.
[00:56:35] Like they told us.
[00:56:39] So I think for me, my favorite as much as I.
[00:56:42] The death of Gambit hurt, but just seeing him go out like that.
[00:56:45] It's one of my favorite scenes.
[00:56:46] But I think for me is Rogue's arc after that happens.
[00:56:51] And then when she goes and she goes to the military base, lays
[00:56:55] waste to the military base and goes toe to toe with cap.
[00:56:58] And she's like, oh, your hands are tied.
[00:57:00] You don't need this and takes his shield and throws it on the mountains.
[00:57:05] Like that was one of my favorite moments.
[00:57:07] It's just like.
[00:57:09] To see Rogue do this.
[00:57:10] And I think it harkens back to her comic book story
[00:57:15] origin where she's hanging out with Mystique and she kind of has
[00:57:20] that side to her where she kind of held on to Ms.
[00:57:23] Marvel too long.
[00:57:24] That's how she got some of her powers.
[00:57:26] And it's like to see that flash.
[00:57:28] It's like it was.
[00:57:30] I was like, wow, we're actually seeing Rogue and what Rogue can
[00:57:33] actually do if she's not shackled.
[00:57:36] Yeah. You know, agreed.
[00:57:37] Yeah.
[00:57:39] I'm so satisfying to so so satisfying.
[00:57:42] You know, I.
[00:57:43] Yeah.
[00:57:45] Not going to lie, I would have dropped him off the building too.
[00:57:48] Like.
[00:57:49] And who else was up there with her that that?
[00:57:51] Come on.
[00:57:52] G could have stopped it like.
[00:57:54] Oh yeah.
[00:57:55] She did do nothing.
[00:57:56] No, they're all just like I would have done it too.
[00:58:00] It was like she just did it before me.
[00:58:02] Yeah. And to have Wolverine be the one like, come on, we all thought about it.
[00:58:06] I thought it.
[00:58:10] Jason.
[00:58:12] You know, yeah.
[00:58:13] I mean, for sure.
[00:58:15] And I texted Matt, I texted Jerry, I texted Dio.
[00:58:19] The minute I heard that last line in episode five, oh my god, I just
[00:58:25] I was dying and I even text them.
[00:58:27] I was like, oh my god, like how does an episode end like this?
[00:58:31] But no, I mean, honestly, amongst all of the first season right now,
[00:58:36] I think it is the separation, the first coming of the asteroid M
[00:58:43] when Magneto goes off on his side.
[00:58:45] It'll give you you choose your sides now.
[00:58:48] You know, it's I think that's the most powerful point
[00:58:52] when both Sunspot and Rogue go and go with him.
[00:58:57] Yeah.
[00:58:58] That's all because only because like Rogue sees exactly what
[00:59:03] Magneto has been talking about this entire time,
[00:59:05] this entire from the beginning episodes one one of Night of the Sentinels
[00:59:12] all the way to now like she now sees it, like she now sees it
[00:59:17] because of what had just happened.
[00:59:18] Yeah.
[00:59:19] And again, it's it's just so much in her eyes that like that's
[00:59:25] all she can see.
[00:59:25] And then to have Sunspot as well joined because he literally
[00:59:31] just got turned over by his own family, his own parents.
[00:59:34] Yeah, his own family, his own flesh and blood.
[00:59:37] Yeah, just turn on him like that.
[00:59:38] I mean, I think that is the most powerful of the entire 10 episodes
[00:59:44] because it's literally someone who's been there from day one
[00:59:48] and someone who has is beginning day one seeing two different sides
[00:59:54] come together with one with one overall vision.
[00:59:59] I'm like, oh my God, like I'm getting goosebumps
[01:00:01] because it's just that it's that powerful just to see like,
[01:00:04] you know, all of them just float on by and you know,
[01:00:07] we always joke with Jubilee like, oh, like everybody can fly.
[01:00:10] How come I can't buy?
[01:00:12] Yeah, but it's just that moment is just so powerful
[01:00:16] because that's the start of the asteroid M.
[01:00:18] That's the start of like everything.
[01:00:21] It's just yeah, it's now like, hey, we've we've been doing this for so long.
[01:00:26] Now it's our turn to just say, you know what, we're fed up with it.
[01:00:30] You know, and that's and I think that's Scott.
[01:00:33] When Scott finally echoed that too, when he's talking to the president
[01:00:36] and he's like, it just yeah, you finally realize
[01:00:42] and they even said it in the show, like the one line is Magneto was right.
[01:00:46] Yeah, like all along, like this whole time we had to wait 30 years
[01:00:52] for somebody to say Magneto was right about the whole situation.
[01:00:55] So yeah.
[01:00:57] But yeah, so Eric and Julia,
[01:00:59] it's a pleasure having you guys back on.
[01:01:01] I didn't realize, you know, it's been that long.
[01:01:02] We got to get you guys back on like 2002.
[01:01:05] We've been seeing them a lot with a lot of our guests.
[01:01:07] Like it's just because life has been moving super fast.
[01:01:10] I mean, oh, yeah, like today my, you know, my kid, oh, graduate.
[01:01:14] And he's moving on from first grade to second grade.
[01:01:16] Now it's I'm like, dude, I have a second grader like.
[01:01:20] Oh, you know, and I was on my wife as like
[01:01:23] second grade is where I have like when you look back in the memory vault,
[01:01:27] right, those are like the real core memories that are still there for me
[01:01:31] is like right around second grade and a lot happened in my life.
[01:01:34] And I'm like, wow, he's at that age now and and whatnot.
[01:01:38] But it is, you know, it's always a pleasure to have you guys on,
[01:01:42] you know, we should go have to go a year and a half and, you know,
[01:01:46] and whatnot. But, you know, NDAs, you know, and I would more than
[01:01:53] love to have you guys however long it takes again after
[01:01:56] the next. Yes, we got we got a date.
[01:02:00] Well, pencil it in.
[01:02:02] It's just what's the episode comes out?
[01:02:05] The last episode of episode two of season two plays.
[01:02:08] Yes. Oh, well, we're not a lot of retrospect. Absolutely.
[01:02:14] But once again for for the listeners, though,
[01:02:17] if you guys know I highly recommend the art book,
[01:02:23] you know, that one right there.
[01:02:25] I need to get a copy of that because I I saw I saw Jerry's.
[01:02:29] I get it all hook up with you, Julie, on an email about that.
[01:02:32] But I saw Jerry's and whatnot when that was actually in sawing person.
[01:02:36] I'm like, I have to have it.
[01:02:40] But go on to go over to crashing game.com.
[01:02:43] Go check out their profile.
[01:02:44] The website link is right there and you'll be able to go
[01:02:48] get in contact with them to get a signed copy of it.
[01:02:51] Or there's links on there where you can just go buy the book
[01:02:53] and it links into where you can buy the book.
[01:02:55] So I always pleasure to have you guys on for those listeners.
[01:02:59] Thank you for crashing tonight.
[01:03:02] First time drops follow.
[01:03:04] And we we try and record weekly, you know, sometimes the date change
[01:03:09] with you guys, your schedules tonight was the only one that really worked.
[01:03:12] And so we made the change.
[01:03:15] So but with everything kind of like with X-Men 97 kind of touched on.
[01:03:20] We've got a lot going on in the world now, too,
[01:03:22] that are along similar lines as what we all experience in the 90s.
[01:03:27] Please, guys, just be excellent to each other.
[01:03:30] That's right. All my nerds out there.
[01:03:33] If you if your first time listening, this is Jerry's Jerry's voice.
[01:03:40] Just want to start talking slower now.
[01:03:43] Oh, my.
[01:03:44] He does talk a little bit slower.
[01:03:46] He has a little bit of Jesus.
[01:03:48] No, I don't.
[01:03:49] OK, guys, be safe out there as always, as always.
[01:03:52] Let's say, you know, just take care of one another.
[01:03:55] Wanted one another.
[01:03:57] Take care of the ones close to you.
[01:04:00] You know, Eric, Julia, oh, my God, you are
[01:04:05] always welcome, always anytime on this couch.
[01:04:08] But if not, please, please, please.
[01:04:10] After the day after season two finishes, I'll be more than happy.
[01:04:14] We'll be talking.
[01:04:16] We'll be talking.
[01:04:17] Yeah, we don't even have to record.
[01:04:18] We just want to talk.
[01:04:19] We just want to talk.
[01:04:21] Oh, my God, oh, my God, oh, my God.
[01:04:22] Yeah, I'm just kidding.
[01:04:23] But anyways, guys, honestly, just thank you so much for being here.
[01:04:28] Thank you again for, you know, the whole season of 97.
[01:04:31] And again, all of our childhoods, maths, minds, Jerry's, Dio's,
[01:04:36] you know, it's just yep.
[01:04:38] It's it feels so good, feels nostalgic, feels great.
[01:04:43] It feels right.
[01:04:44] Especially especially with a lot of climate that's been going on.
[01:04:48] Out there in the world, you know, it's just amazing that we're
[01:04:51] we're able to just come back again Wednesday nights and just,
[01:04:55] you know, like that is the night.
[01:04:58] So thank you so much again for being on with us again and all your stories,
[01:05:02] all of your little things.
[01:05:05] We love it.
[01:05:06] We love it so much.
[01:05:09] But as we close it out, you know how this goes.
[01:05:11] My man, my man, Theo Walski, send us out like you do.
[01:05:16] I'm sorry, Jason.
[01:05:17] I gotta put it out there.
[01:05:18] That was not one of your best.
[01:05:20] It's OK.
[01:05:21] No, no, he's like it's fine.
[01:05:23] I'm sorry.
[01:05:24] I know you can't be perfect all the time, but it's a Thursday.
[01:05:27] It's just like it's a Thursday.
[01:05:30] It's Tuesday.
[01:05:32] I'll blame it.
[01:05:32] Well, Tuesdays, you know, is try to get Thursday.
[01:05:35] So OK, bro, it's OK.
[01:05:38] Like that's all right.
[01:05:40] I'll forgive you for next week.
[01:05:42] But I put a challenge to you, Matt, Jerry and and many of our listeners
[01:05:46] out there that we need to collectively work together
[01:05:50] and find Easter eggs in season two before Julia can point them out to us
[01:05:55] because she always beats us on these Easter eggs.
[01:05:57] And she has to tell us where they are.
[01:05:58] OK, you know what?
[01:06:00] Challenge, everyone go back to season one and look, because there are
[01:06:03] there's a ton of those.
[01:06:06] Yeah, no, we can't we can't count them.
[01:06:10] No, they're too many.
[01:06:11] Yeah, there it is.
[01:06:12] Challenge the the gauntlet has been thrown down.
[01:06:15] But to all our listeners, to all our watchers, thanks for watching.
[01:06:18] Thanks for listening till next time.
[01:06:20] TTFN Ta ta for now.
[01:06:22] Good night, everybody.