Episode 266 - Cait Sith And The Gold Saucer With Special Guest Paul Tinto

[00:00:00] And with that, everybody, I want to welcome everybody to Crashing Game Night. My name is Matt

[00:00:20] DeWario on your host as always tonight or rather today, God we're doing this during the day. We know we're doing this right.

[00:00:28] You know, we originally scheduled this interview when our guest, the voice of Kate Seth in Final Fantasy 7 rebirth, Paul Tinto was going to be over in Glasgow where he lives but he is coming to you from, you know, a wonders a lace or a lady tonight, but you know what? Things work out as they work out and you know what? Do it during the day.

[00:00:49] And joined by my partner in crime has been here since the very, very beginning.

[00:00:55] Who you want to ride, Barar?

[00:00:57] What's up all my nerds? How's it going? Yes. We got a great guest today Paul so excited keeping the Final Fantasy family alive and well.

[00:01:08] We're happy to add you to it and we can't wait to get to know you, bud. Oh yeah. Thank you likewise. It was I listened to an interview where you said you'd set a goal for getting everyone from Final Fantasy on.

[00:01:19] Try it.

[00:01:21] I mean, I'd be out of the list started with John.

[00:01:26] And actually, that's a great story because we met we essentially met John kind of how we met it.

[00:01:36] It's actually how all of us met and kind of became friends.

[00:01:43] Matt and I and our other co host, Theo and other co host Jason, we all went to E3.

[00:01:51] We met in a line for Disney Infinity. And the funny is we met John while waiting for the tutorial in the demo at Final Fantasy Remake and he was in 2019.

[00:02:04] Yeah, that was I just happened to be we walked in and they're like, Hey, by the way, here's the voice of Barrett.

[00:02:10] John Eric Bentley. Yeah.

[00:02:12] And him and his son were there. So he happened to be just walking around and he walked over to me. We struck up a conversation we were talking about, you know, the mechanics of seven how we were liking it.

[00:02:23] I was still playing the demo and yeah when I saw you guys talking and he knew kind of like I was I'm a huge Final Fantasy fan because I mean it was like this feels like Final Fantasy 13 to me in a lot of the battle mechanics and it just became from there and we started, you know, exchange phone numbers and start texting and then we got to the end of the game.

[00:02:41] We started texting and then got them on. And then Austin was the second and then it just snowballed into Vic and Mallory and and breathe and get in and yeah, you know, I said, you start to your bar incredibly high like I can't think of a bet so I like that again.

[00:03:01] That's how lucky we got. Yeah, yeah.

[00:03:06] But say that Final Fantasy doesn't mean something to us and just podcast but in general, just like I've been playing Final Fantasy since you know super Nintendo.

[00:03:16] Back when we had a lot of standing bet that I ended up losing that I had to do a very regretful dance that same E3.

[00:03:27] He we made him do the Spider-Man dance from Spider-Man 3 and the Square Enix booth because he didn't think we were getting a demo much less a date for Final Fantasy 7 remade.

[00:03:39] Because at that point, you know, it was so long since we saw the first the very first announcement of seven which was what a seven or eight years prior.

[00:03:48] Yeah, and I was just like I didn't want to get my hopes up so I was the jaded one and yeah.

[00:03:56] Luckily we got the great news we were getting that demo. We got a release date and I was happy and I will that I was wrong but.

[00:04:06] Paul, I will go get the link or the video off of our YouTube channel and I will send it to you.

[00:04:12] I'm just making it. I want to make a full of stuff. But anyway, so.

[00:04:16] So pause like how are you doing? I mean, this has been a little bit of a whirlwind for you since you came out.

[00:04:23] And I mean, you got to go to Kuba Khan.

[00:04:26] Yeah, yeah, it's been surreal. I mean, it's funny. Like talking about your experience of even hearing about the release or hearing about the remake and everything from like eight years ago.

[00:04:37] My experience of it, not that I didn't play not that I didn't play a PlayStation back when I was a kid but Final Fantasy wasn't one of the ones for me.

[00:04:44] I'd heard of the game but it's been it's been a steep, steep learning curve sort of like jumping into this world head first over the last over the last two years.

[00:04:55] I mean, an incredible experience to the like the family and the community's been absolutely.

[00:05:01] Oh yeah, from like from working with a team today and having the experience of being introduced or look who's fashionally late.

[00:05:08] The one applying for a job for gender there at Square Enix.

[00:05:11] Hey, there he is.

[00:05:12] So that's been a running joke too. Like Jason is as much for Square Enix.

[00:05:18] Oh, he's a huge square in expand.

[00:05:20] So funny thing is whenever when E3 was going on, if he wasn't or with us, we knew exactly where he was.

[00:05:28] He was a Square Enix booth on the demos trying to get the shirt.

[00:05:32] Yeah, talking about whoever he could.

[00:05:35] So but don't feel bad right all about not playing the original right because that is a confession that Vic had.

[00:05:42] What's up, Jay? But I'm really taking on song. He had never played the original game.

[00:05:46] So he had no frame of reference. So I'm assuming for some of the for some of that cast is probably the same thing, right?

[00:05:53] They'd never played Final Fantasy.

[00:05:56] Let me give the proper intro for him. He's fashionally late.

[00:06:00] It's okay.

[00:06:01] But he's joining our Mature G services, the man with the catch the man the myth, the legend Jason Belladio.

[00:06:09] How's it going guys? I am late.

[00:06:11] I'm sorry.

[00:06:13] Okay, you know the couch.

[00:06:15] The couch had to get redeleverated enough because we are even all the way in the style of no.

[00:06:21] So Jason, we were just talking about he said in a letter right now.

[00:06:24] Oh my goodness.

[00:06:26] So I said to couch, no.

[00:06:28] No, he's still what he's blowing.

[00:06:32] So let's give everybody chance to get to know you though Paul, right?

[00:06:36] Because you know, like you said, you've when you look at it like even your IMDB right you've done pretty much just film.

[00:06:43] You know essentially TV and movie right and you haven't really done what's acting so yeah, yeah, as far as I mean I started.

[00:06:51] What did I start? I mean, yeah, actually my first two jobs out of drama school were TV and film.

[00:06:56] So for the last 10 years, it's been a mix of TV film and theater but voiceover was something I only got into.

[00:07:04] It was around.

[00:07:06] It was around 2020 it was not or 2019 I got my voice, I got my first voice over agent in 2019 and.

[00:07:14] And then didn't land my first voice gig until just before the pandemic.

[00:07:20] But that was doing a commercial.

[00:07:23] And from then I'd just been doing commercials for the last likes for like to up until up until this came along in 2020.

[00:07:32] What was that 20, 20, two from me here?

[00:07:36] The end of 2022 and I mean getting into voice acting was something that I completely kind of stumbled into.

[00:07:43] I had friends that had voice over agents and they said, you should get involved, you know, or to at least try.

[00:07:49] And so I thought all right, I got a demo real together. I got a gaming real put together having no experience of doing sort of nice games from.

[00:07:59] I was actually wondering what like how you fell into it or how you transitioned to it.

[00:08:03] I was wondering about that.

[00:08:05] Yeah, so my first my first agent and my first voice over agent, they got me one job at the end but they were we were parting ways by the end of it.

[00:08:13] And I was moving out of London and moving back up to Scotland after about 10 years in London.

[00:08:18] A friend of mine put me in touch with a voice over agent up in Scotland who was an actor themselves and has was there was nothing there in Scotland in terms of voice over agencies.

[00:08:28] And so she thought, I'm just going to start one up and you would see she's incredible my agent she was she hustled she has to tell the cows come home and she built this thing up from nothing.

[00:08:39] And and finally enough when I sent on my stuff she said to be honest, I wasn't thinking of taking anyone else on but you're gaming view kind of sort of like peak my interest a little bit.

[00:08:50] And if even if I look back at some of the some of the games on that real now, I wouldn't even know where they're from.

[00:08:56] I know I think last of us is in there but I had no idea what I'm sweet.

[00:09:02] But American boys for you know, I chose last of us. I think or they would have been someone else sending me sending me like copy of stuff like let's try this one, let's try this one.

[00:09:11] But then so I was with that agent doing adverse for two years and then I've no where and it wasn't specifically me that squeering exclaim to my agent is sent one out to all the guys and saying hey one for the guys here.

[00:09:25] I have a strange one but if you're interested, put something down and it was for it was for Final Fantasy was for Kate Seth and they did say.

[00:09:35] They did say Final Fantasy on the email so I know that some people was experiencing some they hadn't had that like it was a like the code name or whatever and they just had to yes for like a ghost grip.

[00:09:45] The ghost sides that they were working with you.

[00:09:47] Yeah, but I guess though at that point though right you had a ff 16 that was being made which was is set predominantly kind of like in England you know and and you had seven so I honestly at that point right you could have been anyone in ff 14 even too.

[00:10:03] So it could exactly yeah, you know I've just saw a few of the guys from six oh maybe one of the guys from 16 and a few from 14 off the back of just being involved in the Final Fantasy world and then suddenly realizing

[00:10:13] Oh wow yeah there's two quite predominantly UK based games out of this entire franchise which have been doing them really really well.

[00:10:21] But it was yet to come back to your original question though it's been sort of surreal from getting a job at the very, very end of 2022 starting recording at or no what was it what we on 2024 starting recording sorry starting recording the end of

[00:10:39] 2022 so I found out I got a job at the end of 2021 recording.

[00:10:43] So you and a quarter on this whole what is just opened well but let's talk about prior to you getting doing voice acting because I was looking at some of your credits man

[00:10:55] the crew that you've worked with I am jealous oh seriously like you start off I mean your first listed gig on IMVB is first light but in 2018 you're part of kinglier.

[00:11:07] Yeah, sir Anthony Hopkins yeah yeah yeah and Emma Thompson I mean Sir Anthony Hopkins I mean come on dead was yeah that one in particular it's funny you pull that one out because that one particular was an ink was uh

[00:11:23] was the most surreal experience I mean Anthony Hopkins was one of this there was a film that he did years ago called Shadowlands which was one of the reasons I sort of wanted to become like I want to maybe act.

[00:11:35] And then when I got that call up saying it was the first edition I'd never had it was the first job I'd never had to audition for you know there was a lot of motion sitting the cast director was wondering if you wanted to do this it's just one line it was a soldier some kinglier with Anthony Hopkins but your line is your scene is going to be with Anthony Hopkins I was like

[00:11:52] I'm in I mean I mean I mean I mean and the the I've told the story to a few friends now it was a surreal experience the night before we filmed I was filming for three days

[00:12:07] and he's got this last scene he's got this big long monologue I've got this one line in the middle of it I'm like what what what am I doing with a line you know I'm just trying to anyway and the night before we filmed I got this email through from uh from production script changes and I'm like here it comes here's when I find out that my line has been cut because it should probably be cut and just let him act

[00:12:30] and I look at the email it's a look of the scripts it's not there it's just changed the looks further down is back it's just moved the line and and I got to set it next day I walked past Anthony Hopkins he goes by Tony and he said morning I was like morning Tony and he stopped me and he was just like oh I just wanted to ask you was everything okay with the line changes

[00:12:55] and I'm like wow oh yeah yeah yeah no absolutely it's grand grand is that whatever works for you it's like totally it's like and he said no no because we were working in things last night and then I woke up in the middle of the night and I thought shit I think I've cut that boys line

[00:13:12] I mean that's so cool dude that's a professional man that's that's amazing I'm and it was yeah it was so surreal and I said no absolutely I think it worked better where it is and he said well why don't we go and look at it and then he invited me into his trailer and we saw him we worked my one line for about 10 minutes

[00:13:33] and then just sat chatting for half an hour of it has career and stuff I was like am I am I am I'm sitting here talking to Anthony Hopkins like yeah you know like how about a couple of times he's a little

[00:13:48] I mean for our listeners right I mean for those that aren't movie fishing auto is like we are right is Anthony Hopkins has been I know for me

[00:13:58] he's been part of my movie life for a very very long time you know and just growing up as a kid watching movies and you know he's one of those voices you know Anthony Hopkins just like Morgan Freeman and like these guys are just legends

[00:14:14] and yeah to just be able to sit down what an honor that's amazing to him is wow it was it was amazing and the thing was he talked to me a lot about his own

[00:14:27] his his own career coming up and how much anxiety he used to have as an actor especially when he was working on stage

[00:14:36] and I mean this is a guy that has had famous I have been here like at the National Thesor in the one loads of amazing stage work before he went into film and TV

[00:14:46] and he told me a story of this costume person once that while fixing a button on his costume said to him

[00:14:53] now Shakespeare's not really for you as a dear boy and and he said that crushed him and it kept him sort of it weighed down on him for years and years and years

[00:15:03] and he said his own his own fear of or his own anxiety of of

[00:15:12] oh we lost Paul it's okay we'll get him back yeah

[00:15:18] so Jason how you doing?

[00:15:22] we're good man I mean it's just been a wild ride already so you know hey I'm glad to have Paul on it

[00:15:32] it's just crazy getting his voice like yeah I was just watching some of the clips because I've

[00:15:39] even I haven't even stepped into fun of fancy now run his back oh we were able to just relax for a second

[00:15:47] and now we're just like okay now we're about to head out so it's just unbelievable I'm ready I'm ready to go through

[00:15:57] fun of fantasy so it's gonna be fun it's gonna be fun we'll get Paul back here in just a second folks so

[00:16:05] anyway so I just want to kind of give it to there's Paul Paul's back there we are he's back

[00:16:12] anyways there you are oh oh got you two seconds he's fine yeah he's fine so just let everyone know

[00:16:24] guys as we kind of go through everything I just want to preface this we are not going to be doing

[00:16:28] any spoilers talking about the game just want to reiterate that I'm playing because Jason has

[00:16:34] started Jerry is just outside column in the open world and I'm on I'm in chapter seven

[00:16:41] and I'm 35 I'm 35 hours in though Jason slow it down homie I'm doing everything before moving

[00:16:51] on with the chapter so um anyways so we'll get we'll get about Paul back here in just a second

[00:16:59] it's it's all good I mean honestly day and age right technology's great when it's here

[00:17:04] and it's working that's quite amazing like looking at the cast to Florence Pugh Emily Watson

[00:17:10] Emma Thompson uh Emma Thompson Emily Watson was also in a gym Carter my god dude Andrew Scott

[00:17:21] yeah yeah it's a that was a daddy was a how that was a big cast it was yes um and then one of the other

[00:17:33] movies we'll touch on when he gets back though but I want to talk to him about is 1917 crazy you know

[00:17:41] we're calling forth and it's directed by Sam Mendes who directed skyfall go below inspector American

[00:17:50] beauty which won the Academy Award for Best Picture and wrote a petition yeah you know so there's

[00:17:57] the big highlights um on that so Jason I got to ask you though how hard has it been fighting

[00:18:05] that urge to to crack open um a little bit hard um it's also a lot of stuff going on right now so it's

[00:18:17] just like uh I it's it's a little bit of my body my body is ready but my mind is not kind of

[00:18:28] kind of feel so I'm like it's okay but once once I crack it up you want to get it installed once we

[00:18:35] get the opening the opening sequence oh I don't know to be like game on that's it I'm gonna

[00:18:41] look I want to call for work and think like you know what I got I got a fun of fans here

[00:18:49] but it's it's it's been it's been good and again I'm just

[00:18:53] one the one is the right time it's gonna be the right time and we've got Paul back he's now Anna

[00:18:58] he's now Anna I'm on my wife's laptop

[00:19:03] that is okay can you human you okay yes your your perfect fine

[00:19:09] who's the sorry about that guys no it happens yeah okay totally happens okay Paul let me give you

[00:19:14] a story okay a couple of weeks ago I'm not sure if you listened to this episode Jerry was

[00:19:19] messing around with his gear yeah I was one of the chipmunks and we let it go for a little while

[00:19:26] just oh no see they they stopped it instantly they're like oh you need a fixer Mike I'm

[00:19:31] stone face like like you're good I've known I've known Jason so I'm just stone face on

[00:19:38] a giant dude your mic is fine just like you leave it alone so because because Jason so stone

[00:19:44] face I'm like okay okay so I'm good like yeah yeah good man don't worry about it dude like you

[00:19:49] your voices like okay all right who's screwing with me they'll mad and they are like no it's still

[00:19:56] that I'm like just it's fine leave it alone and then when he's hold on and then when he fixed it

[00:20:02] we messed with him yes because he was such a it like I totally saw the mistake and I was like wait

[00:20:08] a minute we love it we hate it you know but I work in I work and I tease a day job so oh good

[00:20:15] but no so you were talking about um strengthening Hopkins and about Shakespeare and that

[00:20:22] it kind of got it hit him yeah yeah so so yeah he told me this he told me that story which

[00:20:28] I'll never forget the someone had said that you know told him Shakespeare was never never going to

[00:20:32] be for him uh and commenting that you know he didn't do it particularly well and he said when

[00:20:37] he went into rehearsal rooms he used to learn not just his own lines but everyone else's lines because

[00:20:42] he was so sort of his own anxiety and fear of not being there was was what sort of led him to

[00:20:49] sort of just approaches work that way um and so yeah we chatted for we chatted for ages and it was

[00:20:57] it was a real lesson for me not just in uh if anything else a real lesson for me in me just taking

[00:21:04] the job when it because in so many other situations someone might say it's just one line like nah you

[00:21:10] don't want to be doing one line look what you just did you've just done a tv series where you're a

[00:21:14] supporting leader whatever and so but you don't need to do something as one line and then that

[00:21:18] experience of having taken on a job that was one line is probably one of the most

[00:21:23] memorable and influenced experiences in my entire life yeah and then the other highlight I want

[00:21:29] to point out was 19 1917 right with Colin Firth and like I was pointing at these guys it was

[00:21:36] directed by Sean Mendez who did skyfall inspector on the gone side and he directed American beauty

[00:21:43] which won the Academy Award and uh wrote a prediction yeah so when when you look at that right

[00:21:50] that trio Emma Thompson Colin Firth and Anthony Hopkins that's pretty much like the Mount Rushmore

[00:21:57] yeah British actors it does it does you know like that sometimes when you're working within

[00:22:02] and even in in Kingley or alone you had you know there was there were so many actors the other

[00:22:07] not tape oh that cast was ridiculous too oh yeah doing here I see this is this is surreal and then on

[00:22:13] 1917 again another example where I mean if you try to find me in that it's sort of blank can you

[00:22:17] miss me territory but uh you know I'm one of many soldiers just sitting in a trench waiting for

[00:22:25] it seemed to happen but again um an incredible experience working with um Sam Mendez who

[00:22:35] uh I don't know if it's because of his experience in theater or just because of the way he is but

[00:22:41] the detail he would spend on looking at everyone in that shot you know that frame if there wasn't

[00:22:47] a story being told from any person in that frame whether they're sitting the top right hand corner

[00:22:52] and look like a background artist you know my like my part in that was a fleeting woman where

[00:22:58] someone bumps into me knocks into me and then something else happens um you know I'm barely even

[00:23:02] in focus on it but he's coming down from his video village camera suite all the way into this

[00:23:09] this literal trench that they dug they dug about kilometers worth of trench to shoot this stuff

[00:23:14] I was gonna ask like how how was the scale because when you know those movies are just feels so

[00:23:20] vast and big yeah and they had because they wanted to film it in such a way where they wanted to

[00:23:25] create the image of having like one continuous long shot these scenes dead last sort of you had

[00:23:31] to have sort of spaced for the scene to move and there's lots of those scenes where it is just

[00:23:36] traveling around a trench and I remember sitting there we were waiting for cloud cover or something and

[00:23:42] if you imagine the way trenches are dug they're kind of like zigzagged it's not just like one up

[00:23:46] you can look eternally you have to kind of go around corners and I remember at one point but

[00:23:51] well I'll just peer around here and see what's going on and I looked around a corner and then just

[00:23:56] as as far as I could see I could just see loads of supporting artists just sitting there in world war

[00:24:03] one gear smoking cigarettes playing cards and stuff like my god you think that this thing is

[00:24:10] just contained within this one little thing that we were doing and then I look around there's an

[00:24:14] entire world going on that the scene is going to carry on to once they passed me the scene it was

[00:24:19] incredible the scale of the thing was it was amazing and they were doing all in locations that's

[00:24:25] so cool that's dog kilometers worth of trench wow the loads of supporting artists were sitting in

[00:24:31] playing cards smoking chat and just just to be a part of like a production like that because

[00:24:37] because those those don't come around very often you know you have done Kirk you have a saving

[00:24:42] private Ryan you know those are few and far between and you know when when they're done like that

[00:24:47] when they're done right like that and look beautiful you know it's it's it's gotta make you feel good

[00:24:52] to be a part of something like that because those don't come around a lot those type of movies they

[00:24:57] don't and it has been I mean I've been lucky that there's been a couple of cast and directors that

[00:25:01] have sort of had my back and and have always sort of put me in front of people and and sometimes it

[00:25:08] pays off sometimes it doesn't but yeah you're right and just sort of being able to look back

[00:25:12] and sort of see your CV just building up with just experiences and projects that have gone down

[00:25:18] with some sort of legacy attached to them you're like wow and final fantasy is it another

[00:25:23] for example yeah talking about legacies and especially how did you feel kind of go into the

[00:25:29] conventions and and because the fans are loyal and and how how was the feeling of that like

[00:25:35] uproar of like the fandom and finally getting to to see them at the conventions it was amazing

[00:25:40] and I think my experience so far is that the and people that have been in parts of 14 and said

[00:25:47] this they said the the community is so so welcoming and they really really want they want to meet you

[00:25:53] and they want to be able to celebrate your character and stuff and so there is an amazing community

[00:25:57] there and I and I that's why I experienced the people that were just keen to talk to you and

[00:26:03] welcoming you in and having varying levels of some people that have been excited about final

[00:26:08] fantasy for so many different reasons as well and it's been a part of people's lives for so many

[00:26:12] different reasons whether their parents played it and now they're just coming into it having played

[00:26:16] you know 14 15 16 and are now going back to seven because of all the hype or those that

[00:26:21] have gotten nostalgia for seven there's so many different reasons and interestingly though

[00:26:27] somebody did say to me they said what like what you'll be aware of in final fantasy seven fandom is

[00:26:34] out of the law it's probably the most divisive yes where they said well when you get onto social media

[00:26:40] and stuff just be aware that there's so much there's a lot of collateral there within the final

[00:26:46] fantasy seven fandom just because it means so much to so many people and obviously then sort of

[00:26:50] remake and rebirth and whatever it is inherently going to be divisive because everyone's got their own

[00:26:56] bags I think come into with it yeah the best way to describe that fandom to some people is think

[00:27:01] about those fans that love the original Star Wars trilogy okay yeah new hope empire and return

[00:27:08] and then the sequels force awakens right skywalker last day right there's it is divisive right there's

[00:27:16] and I think part of it though is when they were originally announcing remake and they were going

[00:27:22] with the voice cast that we do have now there was a lot of backlash from the community because they

[00:27:28] wanted the cast of advent children you know to be the voices in the game and where went a completely

[00:27:34] different way and honestly I love both sets of actors like both performances have been great

[00:27:42] and I think they've they've put together an amazing cast for remake and rebirth and I'm not just

[00:27:48] saying it because they are family right when john em Aller and austin and vick and all them and

[00:27:54] you guys are just the way you guys have brought these characters to life and I'm a little bit

[00:27:59] farther than these guys and I'm not going to say lines or anything but just the way these characters

[00:28:04] have been brought to life in rebirth especially like there's been such an evolution to these characters

[00:28:10] that I don't for me I can't see them being played by anybody else then who's playing yeah um

[00:28:17] you know I've seen you know I've heard the lines from from Kate sit just from catching videos like

[00:28:22] you have right just here and there and luckily I've been able to stay away from spoilers because

[00:28:26] I'm wanting to experience this game you know on my own and in the moments and just yeah I can't

[00:28:32] picture Paul just the lines that have hurt I can't picture anybody but you playing that role right

[00:28:39] just the way you know or trade Kate sit and have brought him to life and I will say this final fantasy

[00:28:45] seven is a very incentious group like we've got several creators you know their friends of ours um

[00:28:51] you know UNO Lesca she's been playing final fantasy since ff1 and she's a massive massive collector

[00:28:57] you've got um you know a buddy of ours you know soldier first class he left making content all

[00:29:03] together because of how toxic some of the people within the ff7 community were because he said one

[00:29:09] thing that they didn't agree with it and they basically went at him completely and then

[00:29:15] there's another one I'd be remiss if we didn't mention our buddy Drew um runs final fantasy

[00:29:20] weekly podcast and him and his brother played the final fantasy with his dad you know since

[00:29:26] they were kids like it's been such a big part of them and to have what you guys are doing for a lot

[00:29:33] of people is is huge right just and see your point right there it is welcoming a lot of us

[00:29:39] are just like yeah let's let's go I want to see what you guys do you know um but it does mean

[00:29:44] for me yeah it's because the the fan base is so passionate and I think it's because your guy

[00:29:51] Square Enix did such a great job casting you guys because the whole like Matt said we really

[00:29:57] can't picture anyone doing these roles because you guys have brought so much depth and

[00:30:02] brought the characters so much to life I want to say kind of revamping it for

[00:30:08] you know this new console and like you know it's supposed to be for for a new generation

[00:30:14] and and you guys are really representing that and bringing it kind of full circle like we

[00:30:19] we have you know the performances from evident children of course but you guys really made it your

[00:30:25] own and really made this world like yeah I mean just so updated in and so much fun to explore

[00:30:34] and we can't wait for more thank you just more story yeah I mean I'm this I mean delighted and

[00:30:39] and it's been you know so far so far on the lights of social media you know there's been some

[00:30:45] lovely people have reached out in a really really lovely way of you know of sort of saying how much

[00:30:49] they've enjoyed Ketseth's performance a lot of some people have come saying I'm not going to lie

[00:30:54] was never a fan of Ketseth before and but you know I've really sort of turned a corner

[00:30:58] well this is sweet but I think with and this was one of the things I didn't

[00:31:04] when I got the job I deliberately didn't do too much of a deep dive into everything beforehand

[00:31:09] because I knew that I was going to come across lows and lows of varying opinions but the one thing

[00:31:14] I did know or eventually knew that Ketseth would had always been quite a divisive character

[00:31:18] and some people loved him some people had hated him I was on the cat I was on the group that hated

[00:31:23] him in their real game I love to go yeah and so you're like well you know I'm not I think

[00:31:29] and weirdly that ended up being freeing because you think it's impossible for me to sort of

[00:31:36] please everyone with this and maybe it's impossible for the game itself to please everyone with

[00:31:41] this and that's fine so with that in mind you sort of trusted the direction they wanted to go

[00:31:47] and sort of went out of from there and kind of tried to as I said I didn't I deliberately

[00:31:53] stayed away from researching it too much partly because he's a bizarre character and the way

[00:32:00] he comes into the game is such that he doesn't have a similar backstory that lots of other characters

[00:32:05] do and like not to sort of give spoilers away or anything but you know looking at his

[00:32:11] origin so to speak will only do this far and and so with that in mind it when I was working

[00:32:19] with the translators and the director and the producers they kind of they clearly were happy

[00:32:24] with the direction it was going in so I thought cool I'm just going to sort of trust that this is

[00:32:30] the level and this is the direction we want to pitch it at and go along with that when when they told

[00:32:38] you you were gonna be playing Kate's if right how did you feel when you you finally figured out oh

[00:32:42] I'm playing a cat the thing was I because I took the NDA really really seriously again I didn't

[00:32:50] look at it too much because they said please don't say anything about this because there have been

[00:32:53] other actors that played these characters before and to me yeah own emotional experience with

[00:32:59] that we're asking not to shout from the rooftops about it when I was sure and they

[00:33:05] and again the only thing I knew of because thinking okay so I'm playing this fortune telling robot cat

[00:33:18] kind of freeing but because you know it's like if you try to sort of like I don't know if you

[00:33:22] try to sort of think about that too much you're gonna hurt your head yeah and even when I did

[00:33:29] sort of like speak to people that were in game were in gamers about it and simply this robot

[00:33:34] cat you know what but also I didn't realize how much the character I didn't realize at the time how

[00:33:40] much the character played through the entire story I kind of I the first block of recording I had was

[00:33:46] about six weeks long and I just thought you know maybe if and out of that let's say 10 days worth of

[00:33:51] recording and I thought that was it so I was thinking oh yes it's gonna be this small sort of supporting

[00:33:57] character no no no no no no like eight months later I'm still recording this yeah I eventually go

[00:34:04] to a cousin and say playing this part in Final Fantasy 7 he's like rebirth and I was like yes

[00:34:10] which one it said Kate Seth he was like fuck yeah people gonna know this character he's like

[00:34:20] yeah man everyone's gonna know this character yeah it was like oh shit yeah so which again though

[00:34:27] I'm glad I didn't know that going into it because I think I probably would have bricked it going

[00:34:32] into that first or maybe added some pressure if you maybe over thought it or yeah and I would have

[00:34:37] died down that thing of trying to please everyone and I would have dropped the ball and not going

[00:34:42] with my instincts because I would have been like fuck this oh man the pressure is gonna get too much

[00:34:47] I don't didn't realize the weight that was carrying here to some extent

[00:34:53] that's I would have that probably same conversationable I would have that same reaction if like I was

[00:34:58] sitting there you told me I would be like fuck yeah I mean but it wasn't as if I've asked the

[00:35:07] thing I don't like say that as if to say there wasn't work that hadn't gone into it or

[00:35:12] that it wasn't been taken seriously there was every day in the studio we were talking a lot

[00:35:17] about the game and I was learning about the game as we went and so and you're just you're recording

[00:35:22] all out of sequence anyway so there's times when you're jumping between Gold Sock or to this land

[00:35:28] to a chocobal land or wherever and you are just kind of catching up right where are we now we're

[00:35:32] in the story are we and you'd get the lines you know the director would tell you okay Barrett

[00:35:38] just said this to you and you'd I've learned the context as I went and and so it's started to kind

[00:35:44] of form the world that way and sometimes you get into really weird conversations just like okay

[00:35:51] so how does a cat snore you know how it's just cat sleeping is it human sleeping is it in cat

[00:35:58] sleeping and then other things again you're thinking how much well how much agency does this

[00:36:05] kset have at this point or you know a lot of your a lot of the way you're just we were discussing

[00:36:10] about to play things is just because of the like because of his context in the game so like I

[00:36:17] started to understand the story or his part within the story very very well which grew and grew

[00:36:22] and grew I just all of the kind of the fan based opinions of him that's why they're not afterwards

[00:36:29] you know so when you look at everything that you guys have done and what this has meant to people right

[00:36:37] when you went to you go to convention like kubakon which is it's a final fantasy convention

[00:36:42] yeah that's what it's you know it's what it's for did you have people that would tell you

[00:36:47] get your story on like what the game meant to them oh yeah yeah and you would have um

[00:36:55] there was there were a few people they are that were with that had had a parents with them or

[00:37:02] had a dad with them and who had come to the come to the game through through their dad playing

[00:37:08] and so this you can tell that this has just been a bonding experience for them from for however

[00:37:13] many years and this is something that they really really hold this sort of like a like a father

[00:37:18] daughter experience and that there was a couple of those instances which I thought wow that's

[00:37:23] that's incredible there were a couple of other people that were just like they've they've lived and

[00:37:30] breathed this for for years and you don't you can't weirdly it's like you can't put a price on it

[00:37:38] and and when and it's lovely and it's amazing to be part of and you do feel the weight of responsibility

[00:37:43] but they want to share that with you and I got a letter from someone someone sent this someone

[00:37:50] gave me a letter on that day to read later on and it was to do with the mental health struggle

[00:37:56] that they'd gone through for years and actually experiencing seeing themselves a rep

[00:38:02] seeing finding themselves in the characters of Final Fantasy was was the first experience they had

[00:38:07] had of discovering emotions that were what she was feeling and she's like oh I'm not alone in this

[00:38:13] like I'm I'm connected to someone here and this was something that completely like gave her the

[00:38:19] confidence to actually sort of have a different outlook in life and she found her own in her

[00:38:24] confidence through playing that game you know like and that's that's huge like that's absolutely

[00:38:28] good also to find someone to find stories of people that have being able to build their confidence

[00:38:36] out through the interpretations and through seeing the journeys of these characters and what they

[00:38:41] find with them and their sales yeah yeah for sure I mean because definitely with like

[00:38:47] it being almost a 30 year old game before we would always have to use our imagination and how like

[00:38:53] the characters talked or how the dialect that a lot of them had like where some of them were

[00:39:00] like mean sounding or like what did everything sound like but now that 30 years later when you're

[00:39:07] talking about like how like fathers and their kids are now like playing this game like yeah I mean

[00:39:14] Matt definitely living example of this and just our own group like he's played this before in the

[00:39:20] past that 30 years ago and to have it reborn remade and it's in come on I mean it's I mean

[00:39:29] calling out the gray hair here dude oh I'm just saying I'm just saying like you're the one

[00:39:33] with the kid in our group I'm sorry you know like you will be the dad forever for us

[00:39:39] well funny story on that having having that though like 30 years ago with now 30 years later

[00:39:45] having the new generation here the voices and all like understand like this is the same

[00:39:51] 90% of it's the same dialogue not a lot a lot has changed but you now hear this voice where you're

[00:39:57] just like oh man like that's what they sound like that's where that's like okay now you get that

[00:40:02] emotion that that secondary like I also experience so a similar experience on gaining a little confidence

[00:40:11] I originally started with Final Fantasy watching my brother play because he was the one that first

[00:40:18] started and he introduced me to him and the big the biggest one that I got really influenced

[00:40:24] was when he was playing seven and I never really attempted to play RPGs because I thought they

[00:40:29] were a little too complicated I stuck with action games and I didn't think I was going to be any good

[00:40:34] and so I just never tried them but I followed my brother because I loved the story in the characters

[00:40:40] and I got so enamored with it I just I was I said screw it like I'm just gonna try it so I just

[00:40:46] kind of got a boost to you know try something new and that's when I fell in love with Final

[00:40:52] Fantasy and it yeah my first one I played was seven I mean we do like being at that convention

[00:40:58] in particular that Capricorn convention that is because they are solely for Final Fantasy you do

[00:41:04] see something where I think there's a lot of the people there that are at it yes

[00:41:10] I believe that you're seeing the most free version of themselves because they've found a community

[00:41:14] in the final group other love the same thing they do and whether that's through cosplay or whether

[00:41:18] that's just talking about the story or the the the shared experiences they have for something that

[00:41:25] within the like it's got a colossal audience obviously but it's you can still see it as niche

[00:41:31] within sort of the way yeah yeah so bizarre paradox in that sense but it was amazing being there

[00:41:37] for that event in particular where you think this this is for a lot of people sort of a really kind

[00:41:45] of confidence building experience well I think too as you talk about like family is introducing

[00:41:51] it stuff like so we joke around all right because I graduated high school in 97 May 97

[00:41:58] Final Fantasy 7 came out on September 97 here in the state so it has been a part of my life for

[00:42:05] 27 years you know and it's interesting because my kids you know I played RPGs and stuff

[00:42:12] my kids you know they're that for instance six right now um high school is going to be seven

[00:42:19] this year and the Lord's time going um and you know they've never really taken to like watching RPGs

[00:42:25] all much but final fantasy they do like they're constantly coming in checking the game like I'm at

[00:42:32] a section of the game where you can you know choose your party I'll just put it that way and

[00:42:38] they'll be like where's cloud like you know but like the other day and I think this is where

[00:42:45] Final Fantasy can Rift is the gap for generations right is that my kids now are playing Smash Brothers

[00:42:54] on the switch and my oldest boy is playing as cloud in Sephiroth almost exclusively right now

[00:43:03] like and he's loving every minute of it and I think that's where it's like you you have

[00:43:09] these characters right that they're just so below the tag and it's protagonist right and they're

[00:43:14] but they're so beloved you know yeah you know maybe not Kate said to all of us but you know

[00:43:20] you know the original game like I I just him and him and you fee in the original game just

[00:43:25] annoyed me and I just never really used them and gave them the time of day but I think what I can't

[00:43:31] wait to get to the scenes with Kate's a specifically is because of how they've evolved you fee to

[00:43:36] the point where you actually care about her as a character now you know and I think that's going

[00:43:43] to be the moment when we we see Kate's a for the first time you're actually going to kind of care

[00:43:48] about him to an extent you know and and see where the character goes I think you know turn face man

[00:43:54] you go you go turn it you go turn man you go turn and I know it yeah when I found out that

[00:44:02] you fee was also a divisive character as well or had be I would I kind of I thought oh cool

[00:44:07] cool there's there's someone else to sort of like carry this way of you know

[00:44:11] the character there's some people who are saying you know or coming around to or had different

[00:44:16] opinions on as well but I coming back to your earlier point how your kids are finding it I

[00:44:21] think part of that what I've learned through doing Final Fantasy is just the story and the story

[00:44:27] structure and the characters that are created are just so incredibly universal and like there's

[00:44:33] a reason this legacy is lasted because the story was so good and you can sort of pick the story apart

[00:44:42] and look at it in depth for hours and hours and hours and hours for days and days and days you

[00:44:47] can have your own interpretation of it but the world is so rich and I think I feel like that's

[00:44:55] the that's the reason it's it's lasted because a the characters are universal with the story so

[00:45:01] so good that it can be transgenerational in fact there's there's a guy I've someone who tweeted

[00:45:09] you today actually this a friend of mine who I met through Kippa Kahn and MJ Galikhar he oh yeah

[00:45:17] I don't know I have his book down on the shelf yeah I'm gonna say which one do you want to

[00:45:24] the Greek one I think it's the Greek one yeah I'm reading the Greek one as well oh no it's the

[00:45:29] north one oh it isn't the north one man you're getting a good plugs it's okay we're gonna get

[00:45:33] a plug on both books but both both we love you MJ we love you MJ but the one of the things I'm

[00:45:43] taking away from this is that you know the stories these amazing stories that have gone all the way

[00:45:49] back to sort of Greek Norse mythology that means around for thousands and thousands of years

[00:45:54] and have lasted for a reason and I think there's a reason why Final Fantasy seems to be doing the same

[00:45:59] because it's drawing on a lot of the same stories and emotions and themes and ethos and they are

[00:46:08] in lies an amazing amazing story yeah MJ yeah we just we just plug

[00:46:13] to welcome my thoughts too anyway so anyway so folks kind of the books if you couldn't really see

[00:46:20] them so there's a north miss that inspired Final Fantasy 7 and then there's Greek

[00:46:26] miss that inspired Final Fantasy 7 both by MJ Galiger

[00:46:38] you can get him on Amazon and Barnes and Noble but no it's MJ has put a lot of work into

[00:46:46] these books because you can as you're playing these games right they are bait there's some route in

[00:46:52] Norse and Greek mythology he's in point one of the summons is Odin you know it's like

[00:47:01] you know it's um but no MJ is a great guy him and I've been we'll keep in touch with each other

[00:47:06] and talk through like email and stuff on on Twitter whatever they want to call it these days but

[00:47:14] it's but no I think but I think that's when you you talk when you look at like just how much

[00:47:19] Final Fantasy 7 means right you've got MJ was inspired to write two books you know there's

[00:47:25] even they wrote you know uh Kishikai no Jima wrote you know on the way to smile which was the link up

[00:47:31] to Advent Children you know there's a book that specifically Jess Fortifa and Erath and their

[00:47:37] connection that that's the next book as soon as I'm done with that one is gonna be you know on my

[00:47:43] to-do list but you know it's it's one of the things every game like has its own fandom

[00:47:49] like specifically within Final Fantasy like for me as much as I love 7 like 13 for me

[00:47:55] is one of my absolute favorite but that's because it hit me like when it came out

[00:48:00] it was a really kind of dark time for my life with with everything and it just hit that right

[00:48:05] cord right and and I was talking to you uh Nolan North who plays um you know Nathan Drake in the

[00:48:12] Enchard series at you know FanExpo here in Denver and the same thing Uncharted the reason I love

[00:48:17] Encharted so much is just where where it came into my life and what it's it did for my life

[00:48:24] just like Final Fantasy 7 hit people at a certain point in their life where like you talked about

[00:48:29] it means so much then because it brought them out of darkness you know because of of everything um

[00:48:36] we do actually have uh I'm gonna it looksile 22 if I pronounce it wrong I'm sorry but um

[00:48:46] Alexi says Alex out yeah Alex out 25 thanks you for joining been a huge fan of Kate's

[00:48:52] in 2000 thank you for what you brought to the week at absolutely brilliant uh question do you

[00:48:58] have a favorite line or funny story about any lines oh good questions there we go really really

[00:49:04] good good question um my favorite line man I think there's I'm remembering the first the

[00:49:17] the first few days I think we recorded like the lines that were they are just at the very very

[00:49:21] beginning of when he's introduced essentially and they always kind of stuck with me um I think

[00:49:29] there's a line where sort of says fortune teller extraordinaire and then put it there and puts his hand

[00:49:34] out and apart from anything else it was one of the lines we would always come back to just to get

[00:49:38] the recording levels right again and it was as we're out to kind of find the voice again um but

[00:49:45] there was loads of great instances where in a massive shout out to the to the translators and

[00:49:52] um the translators of the team Ryan and Ben and the others Ryan and Ben in particular who were

[00:49:57] always on a call on Tokyo because I recorded this off in Glasgow and so you had you had Ryan but

[00:50:03] I was recording in Glasgow about 2 p.m Ryan was or Ben whereas we're in there in Tokyo about 11 p.m

[00:50:09] and the LA studio were up at like 6 a.m. but it's it's why I know yeah

[00:50:18] but they had done such a great job of trying to find um Scottish like legit Scottish words

[00:50:24] and stuff and to put into the lines and to the point that sometimes I would read a line like

[00:50:29] where did you get that from? That's cool because they weren't just like clichés you I wasn't just sort

[00:50:37] of you know just being given a load of a load of clichéed Scottish lines to do which I'd be then

[00:50:42] having to have difficult conversations with like guys can we not can we try and reel this in?

[00:50:48] So they were really really um they were really sensitive to wanting to try and get it right

[00:50:53] and um and I think there's one line in particular where he says uh where Kate says to somebody is

[00:51:00] oh go away you wee scanner or something like that and the word scanner which is like a nuisance like

[00:51:05] my mum or dad would say that to me he's like you know got you wee scanner or if you were being

[00:51:12] behaved or if you hurt yourself and you're like I get bastard I you wee scanner

[00:51:16] I was like where the hell did you find that it's like her and they were really delighted

[00:51:20] oh sweet there were loads of a lot of the time we could have a collaborative uh

[00:51:25] we had a very collaborative relationship with it where we would try and

[00:51:28] a more of a Scottish version trying to find another word or it wasn't working because you've

[00:51:32] also got to try and fit it into the like the time frame you're listening to the Japanese

[00:51:37] and then trying to find the line into the into the question to the same thing

[00:51:42] you won't have too much leeway but within that if we could sometimes find Scottish words

[00:51:48] or I would throw in a random take and they would say no yeah let's let's use that one instead

[00:51:53] sweet yeah post I'll long answer to a short question for the

[00:51:58] you that's all right um so when you look at your your career it's entirety so theater film and now

[00:52:06] with the voiceover in final fantasy seven how much is the theater route helped

[00:52:14] your career both on the film and the the voiceover side I would say a lot and I don't even know

[00:52:20] so it's one of these things where I'm probably not even aware of why um but just

[00:52:27] when you pull it all apart I don't believe the fundamentals are ever that different

[00:52:33] and you're still sort of you're still working or at least the way I tend to work I find

[00:52:38] I still work in the same way you're still sort of asking the same questions um all kind of

[00:52:45] comes back down to simple things like what your character's doing like what does he want at this

[00:52:51] time playing a simple intention and those things are those things transcend regardless of the medium

[00:52:58] and are actually really much more useful or way more useful in something like voiceover acting when

[00:53:03] you don't necessarily have all the context and all you have is that line to go on with maybe a

[00:53:08] reply so those sort of simple fundamental craft really really come into their own um I mean

[00:53:15] I grew up I grew up in theater but mainly just through the way of doing school shows and stuff

[00:53:21] like that that become sort of that was my second nature and TV and film was something I kind of had to

[00:53:28] sort of learn yeah I know I don't think any amount of training can help you for that the day you

[00:53:33] stand on set for the first time and you see everything going on around about you in the same

[00:53:38] way that when you sit in a booth for the first time and you think this relationship I have with this

[00:53:43] mic like is this okay? But I think I mean I enjoyed my time at drama school it was much more

[00:53:55] theater based but I think it was tended to be uh the fundamentals were still there as I said however

[00:54:03] I find that even when I'm in a voice booth I'm still quite I think I'm still quite animated um

[00:54:09] I have to read it and sometimes there was a couple of times accidentally talking about funny stories

[00:54:14] when I would sort of be doing something and then my hand would fling and I would accidentally like

[00:54:17] knock the pop sheet okay well we can't use that take yeah yeah yeah yeah okay I'll I'll chill out

[00:54:24] back here um but I think there is something helpful in sort of still being not to get too sort of

[00:54:31] actory speak about but being connected to still being connected to your body um in a way which I

[00:54:39] think for Kate Sif especially because he is so animated and when you watch it there is something

[00:54:44] to be able to sort of fling your arms about and feel sort of the character entirely they are rather

[00:54:49] than just here um which I think is a trap that you can fall into with voice overacting in particular

[00:54:55] where you forget about everything else that's going on because you're so focused on

[00:55:00] what you think is just coming out of your mouth so it's definitely been massively fundamental

[00:55:06] like my theater training and even more so now when people are asking me if I'd be interested in

[00:55:10] getting into motion capture which I've never done but I was talking about that I'd be so

[00:55:15] in I think that would be fun I would really really love to do it and apparently lots of people

[00:55:18] that do do it do come from a theater background because there is uh there is an intuition you have

[00:55:24] with like a real body to make that work yeah and the environment you know it's not you don't have

[00:55:30] a set you know you have it is kind of like theater um because you either have a taped border or

[00:55:37] you know they they tube it up and like give you kind of like a schematic of what you're doing inside

[00:55:45] the area it's it's very interesting it looks like a lot of fun it does and it's bizarre to think

[00:55:51] how the way the way that TV and film and and gaming is kind of like found or the connections between

[00:55:58] theater and these the technology now like green screen and the likes and the likes and motion capture

[00:56:05] the way you have to use your body the way you have to use your imagination for everything that's

[00:56:09] not there in the time yeah it all comes back to the simple things of even before drama school just

[00:56:14] simple playing that thing yeah yeah how it came easier to you trying to trying to sort of become

[00:56:20] a kid again and sort of leave yep all the judgment of the door when when you didn't care that

[00:56:26] you know you were in your own world for hours and hours and hours and you know I think that's

[00:56:32] basically right it's been most of your career trying to get back to it so when you look at those if

[00:56:40] they were to ask you hey what's your biggest piece of advice for me as I'm trying to get into

[00:56:47] either acting or voice acting what would be your biggest piece of advice um I would say and it's

[00:56:57] it's it's it's it's sound I think it sounds hard because you are you can be blocked by your own

[00:57:05] sense of self self doubt or criticism but I would say make stuff just keep on making stuff if doing

[00:57:15] TV and film is what you want to do find your iPhone find a small recorder and just make stuff don't

[00:57:24] try and make your your magnum office right off the bat don't try and make this perfect amazing thing

[00:57:30] that you think is the thing that's going to get you into a studio but just keep on making stuff because

[00:57:36] it's the best practice you're going to get and what we have now technology is at such a point where

[00:57:42] we we have the relative luxury of creating things for a lot less of a cost than what they used to be

[00:57:49] and even training you don't have to think that something like drama school is the only

[00:57:55] avenue for you or that everything is held in this elite pyramid that's just for the chosen few

[00:57:59] there is the opportunity there to learn with yourself with relative limited equipment and you

[00:58:04] can get a long way the platforms are there like like the likes of all the social media we have now

[00:58:11] are the most amazing sort of advertisement platforms you could ever hope for for simple

[00:58:18] storytelling essentially but just I would say make stuff make stuff make stuff make stuff keep on

[00:58:24] making stuff keep on creating stuff if you're wanting to be a writer just keep on writing stuff a lot

[00:58:30] of it's not going to be good like a lot of it's going to be absolute crap all the lot of this stuff

[00:58:34] you're going to make you're going to look back into your time and think oh my god wow

[00:58:39] but you'll have the perspective on that and that's going to show you that you've actually come along me

[00:58:45] I I do the same thing with our podcast right I look back and I listen to some of our very first

[00:58:50] episodes like way way back right and our Skype days when we did our Skype days and I

[00:58:56] wrote and I cringe at sometimes I'm like wow we use our computer cameras our computer mics

[00:59:05] and things things work things didn't work you know like I'm not rolling dice anymore at the end of

[00:59:10] the episode you know but it's okay okay and things are both things but now look at it through that

[00:59:16] prism though last thing yeah yeah prism of that year where it wasn't so true yeah like

[00:59:23] and like now we're recording today this is episode 266 like we've been at this for a long time that

[00:59:30] a lot of podcasts don't survive a hundred episodes you know and and whatnot and it just

[00:59:37] to look back right it's just work on it and like I think for me one of the things that I love about

[00:59:43] this is yeah we're not the biggest we're we're just a small little independent podcast four guys

[00:59:48] get together hanging out on a Tuesday night right yeah my old high school kind of well I went to

[00:59:57] alumni night last year um and we got to talk and and stuff and they were starting up podcasting

[01:00:03] curriculum so they asked me to help teach the podcasting curriculum to the senior class um that was

[01:00:09] last year this year I'm doing that plus now I help the FBLA students the future business leaders of

[01:00:15] America their chapter at the high school I helped them produce their podcast every week and teach

[01:00:20] them how to actually do that stuff and it's just it's great to kind of be able to get back to

[01:00:28] now Jason brought up a game night now the one thing we ask of all of our new guests

[01:00:33] every yes every guest every guest when they first on the show for the very first time is when you

[01:00:39] have the chance to get together with family and friends for a night together what is your

[01:00:44] fan your favorite game to play whether that's yeah a board game card game whatever what is your

[01:00:50] favorite game or your go-to like the one that's always comes out and I think

[01:01:00] the one that's springing to mind and I'm sure this has been brought up before

[01:01:04] um not necessarily with family but definitely with friends is mafia

[01:01:09] oh nice nice oh good one I like it there's been a few new years and stuff where it's just

[01:01:18] that I've had new years with lots of just a lot of friends at the dinner table and it doesn't

[01:01:22] need to be massively immersive you can just be around the dinner table but mafia is one that never

[01:01:27] ever feels to just to be just to be great so do you like do you have it as like the the dinner

[01:01:41] entertainment where everyone starts at the beginning and like oh yeah like

[01:01:45] or do you just play the game because like I know some people they they incorporate it as like

[01:01:51] their whole like dinner experience yeah and so I've not done that and my wife has done that

[01:01:56] version where it becomes this whole immersive experience for you sweet and you're really really

[01:02:00] on I've not done that and that sounds exhausting

[01:02:05] as I so tired that sounds so exciting and just like and that wouldn't listen to really anything

[01:02:09] that anyone else is trying to tell me because I've constantly been just in the back of my head

[01:02:13] thinking you're trying to kill me so for me is not I might have to pick this up I've never heard

[01:02:19] it but it looks I'm looking at it right now it's 20 years there's yeah it's yeah I mean we

[01:02:27] like because all you need I mean there may be other versions of it but all you need is essentially

[01:02:31] a set of cards yeah like just so you you allocate you allocate each of your characters to a card

[01:02:38] whether you're a mafia or whether you're a civilian or whatever and and that's it so it doesn't

[01:02:44] even require sort of you know someone bringing an elaborate board game which I do love a love of

[01:02:49] a good yeah you can use easily use like just a deck of cards and have like okay cool red red be all

[01:02:54] the civilians and black be all the mafia and then you just like you try to figure out what's not

[01:03:01] fun it's it's very simple but very very intense yeah because you're just you're just trying to

[01:03:08] go back but like you know what like yeah people's tree colors can come out on that I mean

[01:03:15] oh yeah when I was born when I was a child or a partner or have just blank face lie to the rubber

[01:03:25] half just to sort of kill them I'm sure they're broke up ropey cards aren't you so I'm off the back

[01:03:30] of them but it is a great great game there's probably going to be manza yeah there's there's

[01:03:37] a few games that would ruin a relationship in this household that's why they don't get played

[01:03:41] yeah that could be one of them that's might be one of them man like you'll hear about a later right

[01:03:51] it will be so with that it's it's already top of the hour already I just let's time we've

[01:03:58] already been going out of from that one like it is with everybody already I do like it's never

[01:04:04] enough time there's yeah there's so many questions to ask you guys go for it oh yeah it's well I

[01:04:11] was I was curious like well I mean you're you kind of set it a little bit already Matt but your

[01:04:16] experiences of what your experience of Kate Seth was before and playing the original unless

[01:04:22] doesn't like how much did you like the character just I'm curious to know why people didn't like

[01:04:26] the character and what people drew him what I so Jason can answer from the the pro side right

[01:04:34] because yeah row case death right for me I just there was just something about the character back

[01:04:40] then right I mean you got to figure I was just fresh out of high school yeah I was 18 when the skin

[01:04:45] came out um oh I'm sure I'm going to offend a bunch of it's a fact you know what for me it was

[01:04:54] just the character the way he was designed just didn't hit the didn't resonate with me and then

[01:05:01] like his abilities in the game just never hit with me so I was like you know what you're just this

[01:05:08] character they're making me add to my party that you don't really fit my playstyle so you're just

[01:05:15] gonna go sit in the back of the you know sit in the back and and go chill out and and whatnot um

[01:05:23] but it just he just didn't resonate with me like I don't know why it just it never it's kind

[01:05:29] of like one of those things you like you watch a movie and there's always a character in a movie

[01:05:34] sometimes that just doesn't it you just don't connect with for whatever reason right and it's

[01:05:39] maybe just how they they chose the costume design right and you're like oh okay that for me it just

[01:05:45] I just didn't resonate with me that that was the biggest thing is but case some point though there's

[01:05:50] there's games that like for instance Final Fantasy 13 as much as I love that game

[01:05:56] hope I cannot stand him like as a character I can't stand that character and I wish they could have

[01:06:02] just done without him right um and there's the same thing with like FFA and night like there's

[01:06:07] always characters that just don't completely resonate with me but as I've gotten older I've come

[01:06:13] to understand what what they actually mean to the overall picture right so when you're young

[01:06:20] you're just it's even nowadays I can say about my daughter she was like it's always about

[01:06:25] what's in it for me like right now in this moment instantaneous what's in it for me versus seeing

[01:06:31] it in a bigger picture yeah um I have not done a full run of ff7 in a long time yearwise um so going

[01:06:43] back to it after I play rebirth is probably gonna be I'll probably understand the character a lot more

[01:06:50] going back and replaying it after it being brought to life right um Jade since in the the

[01:06:56] pro side all of it him kind of I mean like the pro side for us like for you you're in high school

[01:07:04] for me I was barely in middle school so you know just practice that first man I just want to point

[01:07:11] that age difference real quick into my mic very closely and like I don't want to hurt every day

[01:07:16] for my wife but I'll just say no because we're almost ten years apart but uh again it's like

[01:07:24] he was he was fun to play I mean that's all it is like you he was not a serious character

[01:07:30] for in my eyes it was the joke sir he was the one that like tied a lot of things that were just like

[01:07:36] you know what like there's a lot of seriousness and then you have the Joker you have the one

[01:07:41] that really stands out and obviously Kate said standout like crazy yeah I have to agree

[01:07:49] the reason why I actually enjoyed him in the story I didn't you I didn't use him in my party um but

[01:07:56] I enjoyed him as a character as well because I often went went my first interpretation of

[01:08:01] them of kitsith when I was first playing uh the final the first game um I kind of had this

[01:08:08] shesher cat kind of uh kind of vibe towards him guy keeps like because even in in Wonderland

[01:08:16] like shesher got a little serious at moments and then he was very playful but yeah

[01:08:20] his overall like message was to get you through the journey so I kind of got that from kitsith

[01:08:27] he would like playful he was a character but you know he moved the story along too so I

[01:08:33] I just saw him kind of like a shesher cat kind of character where I just really I enjoyed him

[01:08:38] I like I like the uh cinemas from the old old ones and remake uh uh and again you have like

[01:08:45] this one that honestly just stands out and again as a this is this is a pro n-con from like

[01:08:51] obviously back then um the original his limit break was literal randomness literal randomness

[01:09:00] so I mean you you were never he wasn't and I get it from the conside he wasn't a very reliable

[01:09:08] source no in that case it's like uh but that's what also made it fun too you know because you have

[01:09:13] you have the opposite which I loved was the possible the end you know where literally you just win

[01:09:21] yeah literally and you're just like and you're like oh it's like it's so possible and then

[01:09:25] everyone's like and you and all your friends like oh dude have you ever gotten the end yet

[01:09:29] and you're like Reese Reese trying over and over and over again are you doing the the

[01:09:33] or the the plot trick and you just like yeah and you're like I messed up and you just like okay

[01:09:40] you got to restry it again but just having that fun aspect of it you know in a serious game or

[01:09:46] just in a long game over time that alone just that's an interesting point and I mean we should

[01:09:51] we definitely have a like once we're completely spoiler free or whenever that may be it'd be great

[01:09:56] to have another conversation about this oh yeah one more to peel a part but that element I think

[01:10:02] not necessarily as a game playing one because I can understand why that gets frustrating especially

[01:10:06] if you're playing it after a place of skill yeah case it is just this sort of very very zero scale

[01:10:13] yep what are you telling point of view I think there is something really interesting there in the

[01:10:17] chaos of luck and sorry or the the element of fate versus just you know what what is going on

[01:10:26] and yeah there's a lot I think underneath it like I think his origin story would be really really

[01:10:32] fascinating sort of look back and see all the mindsets to what brought that character to be

[01:10:38] because I think the folklore attached to him I think plays a really really interesting part in

[01:10:44] this in the story element of it not necessarily the game playing element of it but the story element

[01:10:48] what I think there's a lot there but I totally get that for if you're playing it through skill

[01:10:53] and you're like well what is this point yeah I know I know that's what Matt's talking about

[01:11:00] was all the random crap that would happen to my it's like all the random crap that would happen

[01:11:05] is like this guy because you plan your stuff out you put you strategize and you plan oh yeah

[01:11:09] yeah I put it in chat right my I mean three were cloud tifa and Sid like that was my trio like

[01:11:17] the powerhouse trio you know like the guy wrecking and then you go through case it then there he goes

[01:11:21] oh I'm gonna do one point of damage with a limit break it's like yeah really really what a

[01:11:29] well you know the natural one on right now yeah I just boxed my role um but no Paul you talk

[01:11:37] about you know when we can be spoiler free right you know as with all of our past guys you are

[01:11:42] welcome back anytime anytime this college this college is back in LA again you know you know um

[01:11:47] brother you know we are uh you know we're we constantly have the other guys on and I think as the

[01:11:55] the guest list grows on who we've had on I think we need to do a proper show and have everybody

[01:12:01] on for like a little reunion for you guys oh yeah um with you and and William and Vic and Austin

[01:12:08] Mallory you know John everybody that you know it's been a pleasure to bring you guys into the fold um

[01:12:17] I know for those people that you know crash game night with you know with us today it's crashing game

[01:12:22] day I think you guys for for adjusting to our schedule because normally we're 90s turn um

[01:12:32] you know six specific but when we originally scheduled this all is gonna be over in Scotland so

[01:12:39] um at that point it would have been like two a.m. and I'm not about to make somebody get up at two o'clock

[01:12:44] in the morning for me that's not my family you know but uh but no if you guys want to um check out um

[01:12:52] paul's catch uh guest page go on over to crashingame night dot com got a little bio up there for him

[01:12:57] so he has links to his socials on there um where he can find him um if you like what you heard please

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[01:13:08] whether you want to do us on youtube or audio again uh guys as we say always with everything going

[01:13:16] on in the world right now um both you know here state side and literally over you know the rest of

[01:13:23] the world just quote my my favorite you know bill and Ted just be excellent to each other

[01:13:30] that's right everybody uh uh we just want to send out with the uh same message out there and uh

[01:13:39] once again paul open invitation bro thank you so much it was so great getting to know you

[01:13:45] and hear a lot of your stories man and uh thank just thank you again and um once again we just

[01:13:51] want to promote our same message out there uh let's just try the world's still a crazy place and

[01:13:57] let's just try and you know uh present a little bit more patience maybe a little bit of compassion

[01:14:03] lend out a helping hand um whenever we can just try and help let's just overall just try to do

[01:14:10] and be better uh and everyone you be you you're if you're a nerd you'd be a nerd because that's

[01:14:16] exactly what what this is about for you guys to be you and have fun you do you boop that's right

[01:14:22] steve safe out there jay rock you take it hey you know three months in uh you know again paul

[01:14:29] this couch always welcome all the time anytime anytime am i i might need to get a new couch soon you

[01:14:36] know like it might have been time we've had this we've had that catch for a while might be time

[01:14:41] new couch but it's okay like uh give us give us one month because i'm i don't all finish

[01:14:47] farm a fancy i'm not my jay i'm not my jay take it and do not rush to this game i'm not oh no we don't

[01:14:53] wait a little time i don't rush i am i am 35 hours in and i still haven't even gotten to where i

[01:14:59] meet kates at yet so just we do not rush but i mean like probably a month in and we'll be like

[01:15:05] good to go good to go nice i just pan the jay at that point jerry's gonna leave calm but yeah

[01:15:14] but anyways three months in guys you know it's been great seeing all these like you know especially

[01:15:21] having paul on to have our honest childhood or our lives relived with final fantasy like so many

[01:15:31] people loving it living like just enjoying it right now and again not gonna lie i'm

[01:15:40] so really surprised with the whole community that we really haven't been putting that many spoilers

[01:15:45] out it's been fantastic yeah as much as like other games have just like dominated a whole like

[01:15:52] lot like there isn't as much spoilers which is you know like it's good for all of us because

[01:15:57] like like like we've said mattes chapter seven jay's chapter one i'm chapter zero i still have to

[01:16:05] install the game and i've been slacking as a final fancier the final fancier is like hold on but

[01:16:11] we got to give it to your wife the reason you haven't done it yet you would have to do it with your wife

[01:16:15] so if just came back from a trip so now we're like now we're about to head out to another trip but

[01:16:23] okay we're we're going to get that thing installed we're gonna get going and we're gonna enjoy like

[01:16:30] all the cutscenes all the cinematics all the all the voice acting that you guys put so many hours in

[01:16:36] you know all the love because as a fan and i speak with fans not four fans but with fans that like

[01:16:45] just having that audible and just having that emotion portrayed rather than just reading the text

[01:16:51] that we did 30 years ago yeah it adds so much it's so appreciated it really is it gives goose bumps

[01:16:58] all the time you know so again Paul couch is walking for you anytime just hit up matches hit

[01:17:05] hit us up and just be like oh we down we're down we can have MJ on and we can talk all day on

[01:17:13] like mythology too like yeah uh we we we love i have actually MJ and i have been MJ and i've been trying

[01:17:20] to find a time frame to be on actually we just we just love talking to everybody he's got kids

[01:17:25] and kids and family life and oh yeah so yeah i imagine he is someone that could speak up at 2

[01:17:32] a.m. and we'll do that chat with you yes and again it's because of all of our love for games

[01:17:39] all of our love for like just characters and just like story stories and like we all have different

[01:17:46] stories from different times and different places so it's always great how this community

[01:17:52] just melds together and that's why let's i love it man i love it i love it i thought i will always talk

[01:17:58] non-stop about people with games it doesn't matter doesn't matter how we started yep and that's how

[01:18:04] we started but this is how we ended my man they're wafke I miss you were all you bro i need you back

[01:18:12] i can't really do he's working right now i know i know but i'll give it off to mad because jerry always

[01:18:19] messes it up i don't mess it up i make it my own because i don't steal no i make it my own no no

[01:18:27] mad messes i'm sending send it out like for you does all right all right everybody thank you for

[01:18:35] watching thank you for listening till next time ttfn not tough for now i'm making my own yeah

[01:18:42] sorry i'm sorry you could you could you could have taken a dig in mat's line like a good night